You can doubt God exists but have faith he will not let you go after death. What the heck.
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He basically said doubting is ok OCD or no OCD you just have to believe that/ depend on God to save you after death which is basically what you have to do to be a Christian, believing and depending on Jesus to save you.
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That makes no sense to doubt but trust that is not possible. To say i doubt god exists but i am going to trust he is going to take me to heaven when i die. What?!? I dont trust him because i cant know he is there so i guess i am not saved. As far as ocd i am conviced doubts are from us not ocd and there is know way to know different. So i guess i am just not saved and that really stinks bad.
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Okay I see what you're saying. First you obviously want to be saved you and I are both on here all the time no unsaved person would care about Christianity or Jesus but we obviously both care at least to some extent so we must be saved. Think about a few things...
1.) You want a relationship with God and he wants a relationship with you. Therefore both parties in the relationship want each other and there's nothing that can stop that especially since God's involved.
2.) Think about Jesus he's a pretty great guy if you ask me. I mean he thought David who committed adultery was a good person. He saved the woman in from being stoned for being caught in the act of adultery. He forgave Peter for denying him. He died for everyone. God forgives anything!
3.) God understands too he knows you have OCD worrying so much can't be "normal" it's OCD. What you're OCD is doing is making you doubt your trust in God. OCD is really hard to see through when your sort of trapped in OCD you can't really see what's going on you need more of an outside perspective to help you see through your thoughts. God understands your OCD. Jeremiah 1:5, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
4.) Another way I can assure you this is OCD is by something my psychologist said, he said OCD grabs on to negative things basically it doesn't grab on to positive things involving religion or God like Jesus died for my sins and good things like that if it did it wouldn't be much of a problem.
5.)Another thing you could read is the story of Job he got it real bad but God told Satan he couldn't kill Job. I'm not really good at explaining it I just learned about it at youth group tonight. But basically shows that God is in control he won't let things get real out of control he keeps things in check.
Trust me Raven you're saved!
1.) You want a relationship with God and he wants a relationship with you. Therefore both parties in the relationship want each other and there's nothing that can stop that especially since God's involved.
2.) Think about Jesus he's a pretty great guy if you ask me. I mean he thought David who committed adultery was a good person. He saved the woman in from being stoned for being caught in the act of adultery. He forgave Peter for denying him. He died for everyone. God forgives anything!
3.) God understands too he knows you have OCD worrying so much can't be "normal" it's OCD. What you're OCD is doing is making you doubt your trust in God. OCD is really hard to see through when your sort of trapped in OCD you can't really see what's going on you need more of an outside perspective to help you see through your thoughts. God understands your OCD. Jeremiah 1:5, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
4.) Another way I can assure you this is OCD is by something my psychologist said, he said OCD grabs on to negative things basically it doesn't grab on to positive things involving religion or God like Jesus died for my sins and good things like that if it did it wouldn't be much of a problem.
5.)Another thing you could read is the story of Job he got it real bad but God told Satan he couldn't kill Job. I'm not really good at explaining it I just learned about it at youth group tonight. But basically shows that God is in control he won't let things get real out of control he keeps things in check.
Trust me Raven you're saved!
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I appreciate it worried one. The thing is how can i tell the doubt itself about God existing is ocd. I know the ruminating may be. There is a woman I work with she doubts God exists also but she goes to church and tries to do what God would want her to in case he is there. Basically she is no different from me but she doesnt obsess about going to hell. See we have the same doubt maybe God doesnt exist and she is not ocd, the reason she isnt OCD is because she doesnt obsess not be because she doubts God exists that is her fault and mine. Even if the doubt about God existing can come directly from my OCD, like I said there are no tests I can take to prove it and therefore prove I am saved.
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Okay well I see what your saying about proving if the doubt is OCD well I'm just going to be honest doubt isn't going to affect your salvation. All you have to do is basically ask God to save you/accept his gift of salvation. I mean look you and that woman you work with are still both trying to serve God through all your doubts. God is proud of the both of you for sticking with him through all this I mean your not giving up your giving it your best and that's all God asks for.
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Ummm.... They come back occasionally but I'm kind of starting to see through my OCD which I'm really happy about because maybe I could help you.
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see this is what scares me everyone on here who has doubts God exists has some moments when they dont doubt. I dont. Also you said you can see through your ocd how? Everyone also says doubting God exists is irrational and thst is why when we doubt we have ocd. People doubt because they cant see God not ocd althougj i used to believe. I am so confused.
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lord I believe, help me in my unbelief?
here's a diagram:
complete unbelief .....................Halfway Doubt...........................complete belief
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Where on the line would you put your level of belief?
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complete unbelief .....................Halfway Doubt...........................complete belief
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Where on the line would you put your level of belief?
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Well this is going to be hard for me to explain because I'm having an OCD flare up right now with thoughts saying there is no afterlife and how can I be sure I'm a Christian if anyone could answer that please do. Ok so I'm going to go through everything you just said and answer it to the best of my ability. You said you have no breaks from your doubt well when my OCD first started it was on a different subject involving Christianity but it was non stop literally it made everything impossible to do. Are you visiting the doctor regularly? Do you maybe need to up the dosage on your medicine or a different medicine? Some meds work good while others don't it depends on the person. Also another thing you can try is to start eating Bananas regularly they have a chemical in them that becomes serotonin which is the chemical your brain needs. What I meant by the outside perspective thing is it helps to have people who can see from the outside because sometimes can see things we don't especially if they've went through what we're going through now.I'm not sure what exactly you're saying about doubting God exists is irrational most if not all Christians will doubt at some point in there life. Also I think it was my doctor who told me people without OCD get strange thoughts or things but they just dismiss them and continue on but people with OCD can't dismiss things near as easily which is the problem. I see what you're saying when you say I used to believe especially since I'm having worries a little right now but I'm sure God is with both of us right now he won't leave us because of our OCD we just need to keep on trying.
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@&$!$&! I just want to believe again so I don't go to hell. I dont want to be influenced by science but I am. Even if there is no God I want to believe so I don't fear going to hell.
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Evolution etc. before i used to think people who believed in this stuff and there was no God were silly. Now i am like maybe they are right and God doesnt exist.
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Until you cash in your chips on God, perhaps you should do a little investigation about evolution. There are many people who believe in both God and evolution. I think the two beliefs can go together quite well actually.
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My probelm is i cant KNOW with certainty if God does or doesnt exist. I cant know for sure there is a heaven and dont just end.
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