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I very clearly told you before verses 2 and 4 form an inclusio--do you know what that means?
The majority followed the Bible's warnings AGAINST knowing the time of Christ's return and they were NOT disappointed. Should we always side with the minority (which Christianity is!). What about the Branch Davidians? Heaven's Gate? Jim Jones? The 'minority' within Christianity isn't a good place to be.
Jesus is the narrow way. He is the way, truth, and life. Nobody comes to the Father except through him. It's not a sect, denomination, or secret underground tunnel. It's Jesus Christ, period. There is no other way, but ALL can enter through him.Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The body of Christ (true chruch) is a minority. Trying to subdivide the body of Christ serves no purpose than to distract from the salvation offered as a free gift to those who believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation.Being in the minority CAN be good.
These are works/law/leagalist oriented people who God NEVER knew. They were never a part of the body of Christ, rather they wanted their own doing/keeping/observing to count for something (which it didn't), but it only counted for unrighteousness since they did not come to the Father through the only Way, Truth, and Life, Jesus Christ.Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Yes. As I said, they were counting on what they did to obtain eternal life. It simply does not work. It is based solely on the Lamb who alone is worthy, Jesus Christ.Obviously anyone that has prophesied and cast out devils in the name of Christ considers themselves a Christian, but Jesus' answer was pretty plain. There are some He never knew....within Christianity.
The context of that passage is building your foundation on the Rock, Christ Jesus. It's about not focussing on the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye while having a plank in your own. It's about the fruit that is produced in us and what it's source is. Good fruit is produced by God living in us (fruit OF the Spirit), bad fruit is produced by ourselves (or anything else other than God). It's about what's IN our hearts (God, or anthing else). This verse is often used out of its larger context to try and support something the context does not say. But all together it leaves us focussed on our Savior and what he does, rather than ourselves and what we 'do'. Our works are filthy rags.Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Here is another passage that does not even close to saying what so many try to make it say. Nothing in that passage implies that it is best to be among the few. That verse comes after the one that talks about the wide gate and the broad road but it seems everybody missed the specificity of the language or chose to ignore it.[bible]Matthew 7:13-14[/bible]Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Being in the minority CAN be good.
Jesus is the narrow way. He is the way, truth, and life. Nobody comes to the Father except through him. It's not a sect, denomination, or secret underground tunnel. It's Jesus Christ, period. There is no other way, but ALL can enter through him.
The context of that passage is building your foundation on the Rock, Christ Jesus. It's about not focussing on the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye while having a plank in your own. It's about the fruit that is produced in us and what it's source is. Good fruit is produced by God living in us (fruit OF the Spirit), bad fruit is produced by ourselves (or anything else other than God). It's about what's IN our hearts (God, or anthing else). This verse is often used out of its larger context to try and support something the context does not say. But all together it leaves us focussed on our Savior and what he does, rather than ourselves and what we 'do'. Our works are filthy rags.
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I very clearly told you before verses 2 and 4 form an inclusio--do you know what that means?
Jesus is the narrow way. He is the way, truth, and life. Nobody comes to the Father except through him. It's not a sect, denomination, or secret underground tunnel. It's Jesus Christ, period. There is no other way, but ALL can enter through him.
The body of Christ (true chruch) is a minority. Trying to subdivide the body of Christ serves no purpose than to distract from the salvation offered as a free gift to those who believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation.
These are works/law/leagalist oriented people who God NEVER knew. They were never a part of the body of Christ, rather they wanted their own doing/keeping/observing to count for something (which it didn't), but it only counted for unrighteousness since they did not come to the Father through the only Way, Truth, and Life, Jesus Christ.
Yes. As I said, they were counting on what they did to obtain eternal life. It simply does not work. It is based solely on the Lamb who alone is worthy, Jesus Christ.
The context of that passage is building your foundation on the Rock, Christ Jesus. It's about not focussing on the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye while having a plank in your own. It's about the fruit that is produced in us and what it's source is. Good fruit is produced by God living in us (fruit OF the Spirit), bad fruit is produced by ourselves (or anything else other than God). It's about what's IN our hearts (God, or anthing else). This verse is often used out of its larger context to try and support something the context does not say. But all together it leaves us focussed on our Savior and what he does, rather than ourselves and what we 'do'. Our works are filthy rags.
May Jesus alone be lifted up.
BTW, has anyone here ever called him up and talked to him? I have. Maybe it would be good to go to your brother by yourself first in the spirit of Matt 18 before trying to discount him on a public forum where he is not allowed to give responses. He's a nice guy and easy to talk to.
Believing in the Son is obeying the Father.I totally agree that all CAN enter through Him (and He's the only way), but not all do.
He told us to do the will of His Father in heaven, but a lot of Christians do not want to do it...they want their own way and they want the "feelings".
They want a Savior, not a Lord.
Whose works are righteous...ours, or God's? Would anyone here care to stand before Holy God on the merits of their own works?You mean our righteousness is filthy rags, right? Faith without works is dead.
I know. I got your PM. God bless.I gotta go for a little while, so I didn't have time to comment on everything you said. Solly.
good points NE.... speak the truth... in love of course....
it is interesting to observe that folks who believe in sinless perfection or its variation tend to value the concept of "truth" moreso than love and at times are quick to say who is and is not a true christian. That is the flaw with that belief system. You end up with brother superior or brother inferior. Consequently it devolves into salvation by works which is already our leaning as adventists..... it is also interesting that some who have that belief, i.e. attaining perfection tend to be on the hateful side... seems to me that the gospel was liberating bringing joy into the life of the believer, not some of the joyless, sour, folks that we have seen..... but that's just me...Unfortunately Stormy, it's all for nothing and a waste of typing time. You see, I have dealt with the perfectionists may times over the years, and the pattern is always the same. They tear into the salvation Gospel of Luther as 'sloppy agape', 'cheap grace', 'easy believeism' or some other such nonsense. No matter how plain you make it that sinless perfection is a bankrupt belief, they will never accept it. Never. Usually once you have laid it out clearly, they will then get angry and resort to bludgeoning you with EGW. Typically, it will be quotes where she speaks about the the straight testimony and the shaking of God's people. Because, naturally, they automatically assume she is speaking of sinless perfection as the straight testimony belief that will divide God's true people from the false. Unfortunately for them, that is not at all what she identifies as the catalyst for the shaking. I have reserarched this, and she is speaking about righteousness by faith, the same belief that she rebuked Butler and his legalistic cronies for rejecting. The same belief that she heartily endorsed Waggoner and Jones for promoting in 1888. The same belief that caused Butler's followers to turn on Waggoner and Jones like a pack of savage wolves. Righteousness by faith was the sword that divided that conference and the early SDA church right down the middle, and so it will again. Unfortunately, Waggoner and Jones promoted a convoluted, muddled understanding of true righteousness by faith. It was nowhere near the clarity of Luther's justification by faith, which had none of the perfectionist leanings Waggoner and Jones loaded it with. EGW was a huge fan of Luther, as can clearly be seen in the Great Controversy.
The perfectionists hate pure, Reformation righteousness by faith. It's poison to them, new theology waste that deserves to be crushed out of existence. Many such as Larry Kirkpatrick and Kevin Paulson are still hard at work doing this. They plug thier ears, stomp thier feet and cry out in agony when we Evangelical SDA's promote it. Unfortunately for them, we will never shut up and we will never stop preaching it. They will have to kill us if they want to silence us. Luther's salvation theology will be heard in Adventism and justification by faith will be lifted from the dust and raised proudly for all to see.
And that belief is what is the 'straight testimony' which is going to shake this church right to its foundations.
BTW, has anyone here ever called him up and talked to him? I have. Maybe it would be good to go to your brother by yourself first in the spirit of Matt 18 before trying to discount him on a public forum where he is not allowed to give responses. He's a nice guy and easy to talk to.
Greg Taylor. He's the reason for the title of this thread. Read the OP and you'll see his name. I was just wondering if anyone (not you specifically) had bothered to give him a call? Nobody from where I left ever called me, yet the rumors are flying rampant through that community, and still not one bothered to go to the source by phone, email, letter, or otherwise. In 35 years of SDAism I found that to be typical, although a small handful have surprised me and I respect them and consider them to be my friends to this very day.[/color][/b]
Who, exactly, is "him"?
It is the GOAL of Jesus to transform our minds to be WHOLLY His. No mind that retains the love of ONE sin will enter into eternal life, because that ONE cherished sin was implicated on the Cross.
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