Partial Preterism

[mesz]

Any partial preterists here?
If yes, what led you to this belief?
If not, what beliefs of partial preterism do you disagree with?

 

[NumberOneSon]

Any partial preterists here?

Here!

If yes, what led you to this belief?

A long, slow, arduous journey. When I first learned about preterism I laughed my head off and thought it was the most ridiculous idea I had ever heard of. I even went so far as to email Dr. D. James Kennedy at Coral Ridge Ministries and warn him about a preterist (R.C. Sproul) who had been featured on Coral Ridge's weekly radio program. But through much time, study, prayer, and petition, I finally accepted what I believe God had shown me to be true.

It wasn't an easy road (and certainly not a popular one), but one that was well worth the journey.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[Hitch]

Any partial preterists here?
If yes, what led you to this belief?
If not, what beliefs of partial preterism do you disagree with?

what led you to this belief?


One hundred years of dispensational futurism.

Take care

Hitch

 

[craig_on_fire]

Ok I'll try and be as brief as I can... I think I'm a mix between an idealist and a partial preterist.

Literature from NT WRIGHT (Tom Wright) and Richard Bauchman has helped along with theology teaching during some of my discipleship training.

 

[brad_religion]

I became a partial preterist through a slow process. I used to be a full blooded, patriotic American, zionist, pre-trib rapture, charismatic. I first began to question the charismatic belief system and left my church. There were just many problems with their doctrine in comparison with scripture. Then I would say i was a free floating christian. The first thing that I realized didn't fly with the scriptures was the pre-trib rapture teaching. 1st Cor 15:52-54 made me question it. For it says Jesus returns (what they call the rapture) comes at the last trump. Yet, from what they were teaching, it sounded as if Jesus came at the first trump. So, that began it. I then began to read the history of the pre-trib rapture teaching and it just proved what I was thinking was accurate. I also, realized that a prophecy they said was about antichrist making a peace treaty with jews (Daniel 9:27) was actually about Jesus according to the new testament (Galatians 3:17 is almost word for word of Daniel 9:27, along with Jesus making the temple desolate in Matthew 23:38 and the lack of "antichrist" being mentioned in Daniel 9 and making no covenant with jews ANYWHERE in scripture) Also, prior to 1830, the 7 year trib and pre-trib rapture were unheard of in any protestant churches. That is because the reformers believed in partial preterism, but they called it "historicism", but it is pretty much the same thing. A partial preterist simply believes that Matthew 24 and the "day of the Lord" prophecies in the Old testament apply to the destruction of Jerusalem, and have nothing to do with the 2nd coming of Jesus. Most of them believe that Daniel 2/7, 2nd Thess 2, and the whole book of Revelation is a continual prophecy being fulfilled since the church's beginning. One reason I know this is because in Matthew 24, it says prior to this judgment of Jerusalem, there would be "wars and rumours of wars", but in 1st Thess 5, Paul writing of the 2nd coming says there will be "peace and safety". So, either these are the same event, but Paul and Jesus contradict, which I know is not true; or they are 2 completely different events, because one shows wartime and the other shows peace. Full preterism is a belief that takes all prophecy including Revelation as fulfilled in 70 AD or prior to it. Revelation from its own context seems to be the last 2000 years of christian history. Full preterists do not believe in the resurrection of the dead, which is why I believe it to be a heresy. They say it is a "spiritual" resurrection, but that isn't what scripture implies. Speaking of the dead Lazarus, Martha says she knows he will rise again on the last day, yet what did Jesus do? He resurrected Lazarus in a literal fashion, showing the context of "resurrection". Also, the "last day" full-preterists cannot explain with any form of certainty. [Mod edit]

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

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But the truth is, that both FULL preterism and futurism were catholic diversions to destroy the protestant reformation's biblical assertion about antichrist and Mystery Babylon. Both interpretations were created by jesuit priests (the counter reformation) and are believed by most christians today, except for a narrow few. Just look up the jesuit priest's names - Fransisco Ribera and Luis DeAlcazar.
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Now by Futurism do you mean Total Futurism that is all of rev is future.................or did you mean Pre Mill.

 

[brad_religion]

Yes, I mean total futurism (saying that Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled and Revelation has not happened at all yet), but will occur over 3.5 - 7 years in the distant future. The term "millennial" can be misleading, because the greek word for "thousand" in Revelation 20 says it is "plural of uncertain affinity", yet it is translated singular as "thousand", but the true context should say "thousands", meaning an unspecified period of time. Partial preterists believe that Satan being bound, for this period of time represents when the gospel began to be preached, because "nations" in Revelation 20 is the same greek word as "gentiles" found in other scriptures. Satan is unable to deceive the elect gentiles/nations since the gospel has brought the mystery of God to its fulness. (Colossians 1:27). But I believe that the apostate christianity we live in today is perhaps Satan being let loose to once again deceive gentile believers.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Brad

I believe you misunderstand Historicalism.................it is not Amill like Partial it is Pre Mill.

I consider my self a historicalist..........................if i am understanding what it means.

That is we believe much of OT prophecy has been fulfilled in Judea 70 AD but Not All and the Great tribulation is Future.


Since rev is primarilay about the Great tribulation much is seen as future........7-11 -14 20 and some of 13:

12 and the first beast of Rev 13 are past................and the Healed beast is present. as is the Two horned lamb

 

[pm37]

Hi Brad

I believe you misunderstand Historicalism.................it is not Amill like Partial it is Pre Mill.

I consider my self a historicalist..........................if i am understanding what it means.

That is we believe much of OT prophecy has been fulfilled in Judea 70 AD but Not All and the Great tribulation is Future.


Since rev is primarilay about the Great tribulation much is seen as future........7-11 -14 20 and some of 13:

12 and the first beast of Rev 13 are past................and the Healed beast is present. as is the Two horned lamb

Unfortunately, your not an historicist if this is your belief. Your far closer to being a partial preterist. Historicist actually embrace what the early protestant reformers taught. It's funny to me, most everyone calls themselves a Protestant, but then believes in virtually no Protestant doctrines. Well, I guess Rev 13 did say that there are two beasts.

-pm

 

[FreeinChrist]

Yes, I mean total futurism (saying that Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled and Revelation has not happened at all yet), but will occur over 3.5 - 7 years in the distant future. The term "millennial" can be misleading, because the greek word for "thousand" in Revelation 20 says it is "plural of uncertain affinity", yet it is translated singular as "thousand", but the true context should say "thousands", meaning an unspecified period of time.

The Greek word refers to a thousand. Another Greek word, chiliarchos, is a combo of chilioi (5507 and used in Rev. 20) and (757) - means 'the commander of 1000 soldiers'.

It is in regards to the word origin that 'plural of uncertain affinity' refers to.
The definition is 1000.

If you are going to use Strong's, read the directions and all explanations.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi pm37


I think you are mistaken................

Historicalism teaches that most Biblical predictions would be fulfilled only some considerable time after they were given -- fulfilled either once or repeatedly during the whole course of world history. Thus Historicalists regard the promised "seed" in the Protevangelium of Genesis 3:15 as referring not principally to that generation's Abel and Seth etc., but principally to Christ and His Christians (only to be born many centuries later). Historicalists would agree with Preterists that there is indeed a very important sense in which Christ did come (invisibly) to Jerusalem, in punitive judgment, during A.D. 70. Yet historicists regard the various mentions of His coming inscripturated in Matthew chapter 24 and elsewhere, to refer to events throughout world history which all point principally toward His still-future visible coming on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory at the final judgment. Second Thessalonians chapter 1.


This is almost exactly what I believe...................and this Was the First Christian Belief .......................Amill was created in the second Century and was considered Heresy until the Mid to late third century .................................after Nicaea in the Fourth Century Pre Mill became Heresy along with all other beliefs and those who espoused AMilll Killed anyone who disagreed for the next 1200 years. Sometimes ordering the Murder of Whole Villages and Towns that had become Pre Mill.