Partial Preterism and Theistic Evolution

[xmysticgohanx]

Can you believe both of these things and be able to become a LCMS member?

 

[sethrak]

Whaaaaat? LCMS Pardon what is that~

 

[tampasteve]

Theistic evolution might not be against their stance, but they definitely lean towards a full creation understanding. I am not necessarily promoting it, but the ELCA is a bit more flexible on those types of beliefs:

Of Creation

1. We teach that God has created heaven and earth, and that in the manner and in the space of time recorded in the Holy Scriptures, especially Gen. 1 and 2, namely, by His almighty creative word, and in six days. We reject every doctrine which denies or limits the work of creation as taught in Scripture. In our days it is denied or limited by those who assert, ostensibly in deference to science, that the world came into existence through a process of evolution; that is, that it has, in immense periods of time, developed more or less of itself. Since no man was present when it pleased God to create the world, we must look for a reliable account of creation to God's own record, found in God's own book, the Bible. We accept God's own record with full confidence and confess with Luther's Catechism: "I believe that God has made me and all creatures."

 

[AMM]

Short answer: yes

Long answer: (1) can you elaborate what you mean by partial preterism? (2) the LCMS teaches creationism, but allows its members to believe in evolution in most situations. (3) talk to your local LCMS pastor about all this

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Theistic evolution might not be against their stance, but they definitely lean towards a full creation understanding. I am not necessarily promoting it, but the ELCA is a bit more flexible on those types of beliefs:

I don't agree with the ELCA's stance on homosexuality and women pastors.

Short answer: yes

Long answer: (1) can you elaborate what you mean by partial preterism? (2) the LCMS teaches creationism, but allows its members to believe in evolution in most situations. (3) talk to your local LCMS pastor about all this

Thanks! Partial Preterism is basically the belief that most of Revelation already happened. Pretty much everything besides the second coming, resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement

 

[AMM]

Thanks! Partial Preterism is basically the belief that most of Revelation already happened. Pretty much everything besides the second coming, resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement

Ah okay. Then yes, I believe that would actually be a common belief. The LCMS tends "amillenial" which (to oversimplify) means that we believe Revelation is symbolic. If I'm not mistaken, the predominant belief in the LCMS is that Revelation is at the same time, a description of what happens in the 1st and 2nd century Church, and a description of the Church at all ages. So, for example, the seven churches described at the beginning can refer to various churches throughout all of history and all circumstances, if that makes sense.

If you're into podcasts, I'd recommend one called RevFisk: Raw. Pastor Fisk is an LCMS pastor and he's been going through Revelation in his podcast recently, it's been very interesting.

 

[Boise_Chief]

In reference to partial preterism. You will find that lcms is strictly sola scriptura and that there is not enough in scripture to have an official stance based off your definition.

As far as theistic evolution we belive in the 7 day creation. There is nothing in scripture that addresses if those created creatures have changed since the beginning. So if I understand what you mean by TE then yes.

I could be wrong on what you mean by TE, ao take it with a grain of salt. I am devout lcms but don't fall in with the line of david age of the earth. I simply don't know. There is nothing in scripture that tells me to add the ages etc. We don't know the time frame from creation to the first sin. Was it a week was it 100,000 years. When did we start calculating adam and eves age. I just don't know. It is one of the questions of many I want to know once I shed this mortal body.