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Parsing Deuteronomy 6:4 & Some questions on the oneness co-eaqual doctrine

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BrotherJJ, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. BrotherJJ

    BrotherJJ Member

    United States
    1st, I'll want to say; I believe scripture proclaims: Father, Son & Holy Spirit are all God.

    Jesus is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

    Holy Spirit (alway's capitalized showing deity) is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 3:16 & 13:14

    God the Son/Jesus the Christ, pre-existed prior the his incarnation & is our Gen 1, Creator/God:

    Parsing Deut 6:4

    Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

    The Hebrew word Echad translates to one. However, echad/one, means UNITY not SINGULARITY.

    Another example of echad: Gen 2:24 echad speaks about the husband & wife being ONE flesh. Husband & wife aren't a singular being. They are placed in unity with each other.

    There is another Hebrew word, YACHID, this word means ABSOLUTE SINGULARITY. Yachid is never used as a reference to God.

    Genesis 1:1 BRESHEET BARA ELOHIM = In the beginning God created. The Hebrew word God here is Elohim.

    Any Hebrew noun ending in "im" is plural.

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let "us" make man in "our" image

    Parsing vs 26 & "God said" Let "us" (not me or I) make man in "our" image

    A few questions:

    Does Jesus ever send the father? Does the Holy Spirit ever send the Father or Son?

    When Jesus prays to the Father: is He praying to Himself?

    John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
    (NOTE: Jesus said: I came from the Father, I leave this world & return to the Father.
    QUESTION: Is Jesus going to return to Himself?)

    Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
    (QUESTION: Is God the Father talking about Himself here?)

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Jesus), then shall the Son also himself be ""subject"" unto him (WHO? The Father) that put all things under him, that God (The father) may be all in all
    (QUESTION: Does/will Jesus subject Himself to Himself? BTW this scripture is speaking about the RISEN GLORIFIED Jesus)

    Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, Jesus was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
    (QUESTION: Did Jesus go to heaven and sit down next to Himself? BTW this is the RISEN GLORIFIED Jesus)

    Revelation 5:6-7
    6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb (Jesus) as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    7 Jesus came and took the book out of the right hand of him (God the father) that sat upon the throne.
    (QUESTION: Does Jesus take the scroll from Himself? BTW this is the RISEN GLORIFIED Jesus)

    How does one explain the following?

    Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand.

    Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    Luk 20:42 David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

    Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    (NOTE: The LORD isn't talking to HIMSELF!)
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  2. Phil W

    Phil W Well-Known Member

    United States
    All that and no mention of the Word?
    Jesus wasn't the Father made flesh, He was the Word made flesh.
  3. BrotherJJ

    BrotherJJ Member

    United States
    Where does the post make the claim:

    1) That the Father was made flesh or that Jesus was the Father?

    Maybe this would help clarify my already stated position:

    John 1:
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    (NOTE: Before the flash point of creation. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    (NOTE: God-Pre-incarnate Christ MADE/CREATED ALL THINGS! Christ/Son of God is the Gen 1 creator)

    Col 1:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    (NOTE: Christ CREATED ALL THINGS! God the Son/Christ/Jesus is our worlds Gen 1 creator)

    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    (NOTE: God the Son MADE THE WORLDS! God the Son/Christ/Jesus is the Gen 1 creator)
  4. Phil W

    Phil W Well-Known Member

    United States
    I merely wondered why you didn't mention the Word.

    But He wasn't Jesus until His birth from a woman.

    I have no problem attributing the works of the yet to be born/created Jesus to the Word.
    As the Word was manifested in the flesh on earth as Jesus.

    Jesus was the unfleshed Word at that time.