Parents TAKING without returning.

[GPguy]

Anybody have scriptures pertaining to parents taking things from their children, such as money and never returning or intending to return it back to them? This just seems so wrong and upsetting and extremely horrific on the parents end... Very much setting a bad parental and Christian example! Any scriptures and thoughts on it?

God Bless.

Jonathan

 

[ebia]

Anybody have scriptures pertaining to parents taking things from their children, such as money and never returning or intending to return it back to them? This just seems so wrong and upsetting and extremely horrific on the parents end... Very much setting a bad parental and Christian example! Any scriptures and thoughts on it?

God Bless.

Jonathan

Are we talking about adult children or minors?

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

I can't provide any scriptures that specify about such things, but these two say it all;

Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them. Rather, bring them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord. -Ephesians 6:4

Fathers, do not aggravate your children, or they will become discouraged. -Colossasians 3:21

Parents ought not abuse their authority as disiplinarian adults/parents, nevertheless children ought to honor their parents in doing good.

 

[GPguy]

I am talking about adult children, but really it doesn't matter; Also, one will find it hard to respect one who is out of Christian influence and uses their position in the family as an "almighty" "higher than thou" stand!...

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

I am talking about adult children, but really it doesn't matter; Also, one will find it hard to respect one who is out of Christian influence and uses their position in the family as an "almighty" "higher than thou" stand!...

I understand where youre coming from. Trust me, I used to be a very rebellious teen who rebelled because of this very reason. I rebelled because my parents were out of the Christian influence, however they were somewhat hypocritical in that my mom tried to teach me racism, both my parents were pretty strict in what i got myself into in terms f entertainment, ie; music, movies, TV shows, etc. etc. while they were not conscious of what they got themselves into. Things like this just set me off along with the hypocrisy within the church itself, however in rebelling I put myself in danger and thus fell into a ditch of vices and venomous serpents. Therefore, my parents and I were both wrong in our own ways in bringing me up, and yet we were also right in our own ways also. Therefore, my advice is to do your best to obey your parents, even if they are abusing their position as head of the household. If they are doing so, kindly call them out on it in a meek way. At least obey them in what is good. If you disagree with some rules they are making and have good reason to believe that their rules are unjust or immoral, and you feel that God and his laws back you up on this, then feel free to let them know how you feel, but in a patient and humble way.

And when you're old enough, you can do what I did, move out. (;

 

[hedrick]

I don't think we need special teaching for children. Theft is theft. The difficulty is that at least for minors, parents are responsible for their children, so if you take thing Bible legally, it might be allowed. However Jesus clearly didn't take it legally. Mat 5 didn't seem to interpret theft but it did many of the other laws. Can anyone doubt that Jesus' understanding of not stealing would involve caring for others' property, including one's children's?

 

[GPguy]

Rebellion is not the cause here and I am more than old enough to move out and did a couple of different times... Since I rejoined them, I've been helping them out with money while saving up at the same time, but everything I'd get saved up has gone toward them and they never return it, so I can't put that back into my savings! I make far too little to easily higher my savings amount! I've spoken to them about their hypocrisy and all that I hear is that I can not speak to them of such things for I am the son and they are the parents! See, it's trash like that! Conceit, hypocrisy, self-righteousness and an attitude of " we are mightier than thou"! Lord help them and help me to be able to move away from them! I've done all I can for and with them!

 

[bsd31]

Whatever happened to giving without expecting anything in return? Seems to me that you think they owe you something, OP. I'm not clear on what you believe their debt to be, but apparently it is very large if it gets you so upset.

If you're as done with them as you say you are, leave. You're of age so move out and don't look back.

 

[GPguy]

Read my messages and get the points! I loaned to them my savings which I was told I'd get back in a week's time! I can not move out without my savings which I gave to them, and the money is the least of all the hypocrisy and problems!

 

[bsd31]

Read my messages and get the points! I loaned to them my savings which I was told I'd get back in a week's time! I can not move out without my savings which I gave to them, and the money is the least of all the hypocrisy and problems!

I've read your messages, again, and still don't see your point(s).

You've said it twice now, that you gave them your savings. Was there an agreement in place that they would pay you back? If there was an agreement is there a reason they can't pay you back now? If there wasn't an agreement what made you assume they would pay you back? Could you ask them to pay you back a little at a time over the next year or two or three so you'll have money to move out with?

 

[GPguy]

You told me to move out previously and if you read my previous posts as you said, you'd have seen that I said I gave them my money, hence, I have nothing to move into without money for rent.

I was told by word of mouth that I'd get it back in a week's time and that is good enough coming from a supposed Christian's mouth.

Of course I mentioned paying it back in small portions and that did nothing... They don't want to pay it back period! It's all a mess of hypocrisy and a bad name to Christianity! To think I was raised under them.

 

[GPguy]

Frankly deep given details of the situation don't even matter... "OP" I am seeking scripture on a matter of such.

 

[hedrick]

Frankly deep given details of the situation don't even matter... "OP" I am seeking scripture on a matter of such.

You won't find a Scripture that gives your situation exactly. But there are plenty of things that would apply. There are several Scripture that talk about honoring our promises. If they promised to pay back they should. At some point, however you need to start looking at the teachings on forgiveness. That doesn't prevent you from protecting yourself, of course.

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

Rebellion is not the cause here and I am more than old enough to move out and did a couple of different times... Since I rejoined them, I've been helping them out with money while saving up at the same time, but everything I'd get saved up has gone toward them and they never return it, so I can't put that back into my savings! I make far too little to easily higher my savings amount! I've spoken to them about their hypocrisy and all that I hear is that I can not speak to them of such things for I am the son and they are the parents! See, it's trash like that! Conceit, hypocrisy, self-righteousness and an attitude of " we are mightier than thou"! Lord help them and help me to be able to move away from them! I've done all I can for and with them!

Well, I was talking about rebellion because it was the route I took when I didn't see eye to eye with my parents.

But it sounds like your parents are being a little greedy and ungrateful. Just keep in mind that everything you give will be returned to you when and if you rely and trust in God. Remember to give generously out of the kindness of your own heart, not grudgingly or relectantly under pressure, and do so not expecting to get anything in return.

• But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. -Luke 6:35
• Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Corinthians 9:7
• Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. -Deuteronomy 15:10
• A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed. -Proverbs 11:25

All I'm saying is that it can be a joy to provide for your own family as they provided for you growing up in their home, and if you do so joyfully and not expect anything in return, fully trusting in God for provisions, you may be surprised how God himself may come through and bless you two-fold! Your parents are wrong to abuse their authority as parents and in not returning your money, esp if that was the deal to begin with, however you catch my drift.

 

[GPguy]

I "catch your drift" if it was the situation at hand, but frankly it is not and you truly don't know of it all... I'll try to seek out the scriptures on failing to keep promises. Thanks to all who tried.

God Bless.

 

[PBWYMikeW]

I can't provide any scriptures that specify about such things, but these two say it all;

Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them. Rather, bring them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord. -Ephesians 6:4

Fathers, do not aggravate your children, or they will become discouraged. -Colossasians 3:21

Parents ought not abuse their authority as disiplinarian adults/parents, nevertheless children ought to honor their parents in doing good.

I think this pretty much says it all.

 

[GPguy]

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

 

[an oddity]

GPguy, if you are living under the roof of your parents then you owe them rent, laundry and for other things they provide you and they should be compensated. If you lived elsewhere you would be paying for those things anyway.
However if you made them a loan they are liable to repay you, but if you have nothing in writing you may never see it.
At this point perhaps you all should discuss what you are expected to supply while living there and stick to the agreement.
If this doesn't work, perhaps there is another relative who might rent you a room and other needs? You could pay something to them and try and save as you had intended to do.
Unless you can resolve your issues with your parents it does not sound as if this situation is going to work for you, nor for them because it is contentious.

 

[GPguy]

Again, you guys know not nearly all the details of the situation, so please speak not of it as if you do. I simply started the topic with a question in reference to the original topics title. It need not go further now, for there is no point.

Thanks and God Bless.

 

[ChrisInHawaii]

Hi Gp,

Yes, it's messed up that they borrowed and didn't pay you back as they promised. They are fla out wrong to do that and then to not apologize for the delay in paying you back? Just wrong.

I Timothy 5:8 says, "but if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

Now, the apostle Paul was speaking specifically about able-bodied adults who were not taking care of their elderly parents, grandparents, etc who were widowed and unable to live independently. But I think the principle here is that every member of the family needs to contribute financially as they are able, to help take care of the bills and basic living expenses.

If you are unable to live on your own, then your parents should be providing for you. But if you are able to work and help pay the bills and buy groceries, then you should help out with that. It sounds like it's a little of both, in this situation.

I guess you're wondering if the Bible is on your side or theirs, but it's more complicated than that. As implied already, God's position is that parents and children are to do all they can to live together peacefully and to treat each other honorably and respectfully.

So, yes! Of course your parents are wrong to not keep their word (and to blow you off as if they are entitled to take your money). But God's desire for you is that you keep an attitude of humility and forgiveness towards your parents.

Be patient GP, and keep asking God for the strength to ride this out. Continue to honor your parents. They should be setting the example for you, but perhaps God intends to use you to be a Godly example for them.

Matthew 5:42 a "Give to him who asks you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you."

Good luck, bro. I apologize if we've missed your point or not been helpful. Keep praying about it. God loves both you and your parents and wants you all to work out a peaceful and respectful solution.

Aloha.