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I got a parakeet a couple days ago. I was told that they were affectionate birds. Either I was told wrong, or I have the only people-hating bird in the state of Mississippi. Does it take time for them to develop a relationship? If so, how long? We have a 14-day warantee on the bird, if it doesn't work out we can get another. Do all parakeets behave this way when they come straight from the pet store or just mine? :help:
 

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I hate to have to tell you,
You have the only people-hating bird in the state of Mississippi

Just kidding and not very funny I admit.

Parakeets/Budgies are nice pets, but like every other pet they have personalities. Some are more outgoing and some are more withdrawn, some love being held, others shy away.

I have two, one has been here over a year, the other we got just the other day to keep our other one company. The new one likes being held, the old one hates it and would rather we keep our hands off thank you very much.

It just depends on the bird personality and how you interact...
if it's a baby bird weeks or months old, you can train it. They can learn how to interact and play, some can talk, some do little tricks/puzzles. Sometimes it depends on how much time you are willing to put in.

You can alwaus look online and see budgie sites to see what other bird owners say. Hope this helps ease your concerns.
 
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Seattle Rain said:
I got a parakeet a couple days ago. I was told that they were affectionate birds. Either I was told wrong, or I have the only people-hating bird in the state of Mississippi.

LOL, she's not the only one - flooded rescues and foster homes will attest to that. If you're speaking of a Budgerigar, some do like to be preened and give kissies and all do bond fiercely to their owners but they are not particularly cuddly, nor do they sit still for an extended period of time. They like to play and have freedom. In conclusion, yes, you were completely told wrong. :D

Sorry to bold this, but you can never guarantee an affectionate bird. Even one that's friendly today isn't necessarily going to be friendly tomorrow.

Seattle Rain said:
Does it take time for them to develop a relationship? If so, how long?

On average it takes a dog or cat several months to settle. Your bird's intelligence and comprehension goes way above and beyond these, and has most-likely lived a tortured life thus far. I give a bird two years to fully settle, and some have taken well more than ten years to one day decide they're okay with us prison-keepers. :p

But with any bird you have to be diligent. A bird requires several hours every day, I say usually around four is just barely cutting it, being it better than no home at all.

A pet store bird has never had a human, before. They've had fellow birds who are their size and speak their language. She hasn't a clue what you are, or what you want to do with her, at best she can compare you to a wing-clipper or the huge glove that randomly grabs a handful of birds before boxing them. All she knows at this point is that you removed her from one of the only natural defenses God gave her, and that's her flock. Most likely she was also clipped, so that's two defenses down. Can you see where I'm going? You're a predator, and she's naked prey. Be understanding and give her a good while to recognize you as a flock member. :hug:

Seattle Rain said:
We have a 14-day warantee on the bird, if it doesn't work out we can get another.

Well, first and foremost, an animal should never be returnable. Your bird has just had the most horrific experience, one beyond what you or I could ever comprehend: ripped from her flock, thrown in a box and shipped on a loud truck with fluctuating temperatures (most-often from Florida), manhandled by huge predators (that would be store personnel and yourself). Love her - sorry for fixing a gender, I can't use "it" ;) - for being an exceptional creature of God and work from there. She's a living, breathing, terrified thing, and she's yours, now. You're her survival, and she's your commitment.

Even if it takes years, the relationship with a bird is so very worthwhile and like nothing else.

Seattle Rain said:
Do all parakeets behave this way when they come straight from the pet store or just mine? :help:

You couldn't tell me she's doing a thing that would make me believe she isn't a 100% normal bird. :) It is the rare, exceptional bird that attaches easily to humans.

To be up front with you, you should never have purchased from a pet store. These are mass-bred animals raised in dirty facilities where they live in small wire cages stacked one upon the next. Their health is severely compromised and they're considered nothing but disposable (the same animal factories raise fowl for hunting ranges where they are literally used for target practice).

Pray over her. Love her. Enjoy her. Birds are complicated. They're moody and extremely emotional. But realize that once you're her flock that's it for her. It's a done deal. There will be no one else that will take your place. Birds can rehome, but they always, always recognize and remember their first "nest."

She needs to go to a vet ASAP for testing, the veterinarian should be able to get a feel for her personality and tell you on that individual basis how you should begin to work on building that bond.

Prayers and good luck to you both. :prayer:


cavymom said:
I hate to have to tell you,
You have the only people-hating bird in the state of Mississippi
^_^ That really gave me a laugh!
 
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If a bird is not hand-feed, then yes, they tend to be a llittle "wild" and a challenge to tame. The first thing I would recommend is clipping the wings. It's not cruel, in fact, it could save the bird from getting hurt flying into a wall or such, or worse, outside. Second, get the bird out the cage and handle it. If sitting on your finger is problematic, than I'd suggest getting a pencil, holding it out, and using it as a perch. Once the bird is used to perching close to you, start finger training it.

I had a Parakeet when I was younger that the above worked great on. The bird got to a point where he loved me, he even took naps with me perched on my arm. :) If you're patient and spend a lot of time with the bird, it will get tame.

Good luck and don't give up just yet!
 
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Please don't clip wings or support the reprehensible act of hand feeding. :D These have been pushed upon recent society by nothing more than lazy breeders who want to produce and sell more birds than can be properly handled, but clipping and hand feeding do more harm than good, destroying thousands upon thousands of birds.

A hand-fed bird has compromised physical health, emotional insecurity, and rarely retains friendliness through their mature years. A parent-raised bird with early human contact is no less friendly than a hand-raised bird but has the added benefit of a stronger immune system and their behavior is much more stable throughout life. If human contact is not introduced at an early age a little patience will go along way to long-term tameness, and again, you have the added physical and emotional health.

As for clipping wings, a bird who has proper flying skills in a bird-friendly environment does not need their God-given security removed. A bird with flight is calmer, and is also less likely to get into danger. One thing people don't realize is that a clipped bird can not only teach themselves to fly without their flight feathers, but can still fly outdoors with the slightest of back breeze. All clipping does is hinder controlled flight, so if a home can't handle a flighted bird it really should not adopt in the first place. :thumbsup:
 
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Please don't clip wings or support the reprehensible act of hand feeding. :D These have been pushed upon recent society by nothing more than lazy breeders who want to produce and sell more birds than can be properly handled, but clipping and hand feeding do more harm than good, destroying thousands upon thousands of birds.

A hand-fed bird has compromised physical health, emotional insecurity, and rarely retains friendliness through their mature years. A parent-raised bird with early human contact is no less friendly than a hand-raised bird but has the added benefit of a stronger immune system and their behavior is much more stable throughout life. If human contact is not introduced at an early age a little patience will go along way to long-term tameness, and again, you have the added physical and emotional health.

As for clipping wings, a bird who has proper flying skills in a bird-friendly environment does not need their God-given security removed. A bird with flight is calmer, and is also less likely to get into danger. One thing people don't realize is that a clipped bird can not only teach themselves to fly without their flight feathers, but can still fly outdoors with the slightest of back breeze. All clipping does is hinder controlled flight, so if a home can't handle a flighted bird it really should not adopt in the first place. :thumbsup:

Yeah, and this is where you will find disagreements. This is one disagreement we have. My advice is do your research and make the decision that you think is best.

I for one got my quaker from a breeder. She was handfed and her wings are clipped. Everyone tells me she is the most well behaved quaker they have met. I know plenty of bird behavioralists who swear by handfeeding and clipping wings to keep the bird safe. And a bird should never, in my opionion, be alowed out of the cage without supervision. Clipped or not.

You are going to find many opions out there. Some correct, some not. For instance. I had 3 lovebirds die b/c I was using corncob bedding and they ate it and it blocked thier intestines. I will never recomend or use corncob bedding EVER. However, there are plenty of bird owners who swear by the stuff and will use nothing but corncob bedding and have never had problems.

DO YOUR RESEARCH.

That's all I can say.

About your parakeet. Yeah, you're not the only one. I've had keets in the past and they were all different. It all depends on where you get them and how old they are. Pet stores aren't the best place to get keets if you want them to be human friendly right away. You can tame them with patience and effort. Then again, it depends on the bird and thier personality. Some birds will never tame and like humans no matter how hard you try. Some birds will tame very quickly. It all depends and there are no garuntees. Keets do make great pets even if they aren't tamed, although I would recomend getting another one if you can't tame him. They are very social animals and need companionship. That's just how they are.

Good luck and God bless.
 
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qpmomma said:
Yeah, and this is where you will find disagreements. This is one disagreement we have. My advice is do your research and make the decision that you think is best.

I for one got my quaker from a breeder. She was handfed and her wings are clipped. Everyone tells me she is the most well behaved quaker they have met. I know plenty of bird behavioralists who swear by handfeeding and clipping wings to keep the bird safe. And a bird should never, in my opionion, be alowed out of the cage without supervision. Clipped or not.

You are going to find many opions out there. Some correct, some not. For instance. I had 3 lovebirds die b/c I was using corncob bedding and they ate it and it blocked thier intestines. I will never recomend or use corncob bedding EVER. However, there are plenty of bird owners who swear by the stuff and will use nothing but corncob bedding and have never had problems.

DO YOUR RESEARCH.

Great post - I agree 100%. I also have a handfeed Quaker Parakeet :thumbsup: that was extremely tame and weened on a pellet diet (which is 100% better than seed). In fact, he won't even touch the junk (seed that is).

Handfeeding makes for a well-mannered, tame bird. Wing clipping makes for a safe bird.
 
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While no parrot is domesticated, the QP is a fairly docile, lovely bird popular for it's consistent bahavior. It is not a Budgerigar, a Lovebird, a Conure, a Macaw, a Grey, and certainly not an Amazon, so it really is not a good measure for the personality of other species. :thumbsup:

It's not so much a matter of disagreeing at all, qpmomma, birds under 10-20 years of age are commonly friendly when hand-fed, and of course there is an exception to every rule. Remember, we are just beginning to see the long-term results of hand feeding, there has been next to nothing for universities to document prior to the year 2000. But let's just say we ignore the long-term emotional and physical health issues, for the sake of it we'll pretend that rescues and rehab centers aren't very suddenly overflowing with abandoned birds, and we'll forget for a moment that because of the abandonment crisis these exotic birds have lost their protection from euthanasia only allowable when there is suffering or death is already imminent.

Let's focus instead on the well-being of the hand-fed bappy itself. Any breeder will tell you that the years of experience one can attest to means very little to survival of a chick removed from the nest. There will always be deaths related to hand feeding. Nevermind the common disasters like crop burn from the inexperienced feeder, there will always be the uncontrollable risks of bacterial infections, fungal infections, aspiration pneumonia, or the very common expulsive stage that has resulted in countless cases of inanition. Not to mention, every breeder complains about that stubborn age when the bap is resistant to being fed at all. Needless to say, God did not build any of this into nature. You won't find these fatal issues among properly kept parent-raised birds.

So the question I have to ask is, why do we use this technique that kills? The bird is tame early on. Okay, I'll give that to those who claim so. However, parent-raised birds are just, and I stress just as tame with early exposure to humans. So, we can rule out tameness as a true reason for hand feeding. So why are breeders not only doing it, but advocating it? Well, there are only two excuses. It's easy, and it offers more money. The round-the-clock feedings and numerous deaths are easy and cheap? No. What's easy is being able to produce parrots by the dozens and having every one accustomed to humans because they've been forced to view us as their parent. It's cheaper because you can sell more birds when you're not required to only produce one nest and spend several hours every day habituating a bird to human contact.

So, we do not need to hand feed to tame the animal, we have chosen to hand feed to mass produce the animal. Consider that hand feeding has been popular for barely two decades - less than 20 years - but parrots themselves have been human companions for thousands of years. Even today wild exotics integrate into human communities - these two facts themselves should remove any notion of the necessity to hand feed in order to produce a tame and well-mannered bird. Don't let today's common myth fool you, tameness is NOT a benefit to hand feeding. It does NOT offer one thing over allowing the bird to be parent-raised, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I know numerous breeders who successfully produce tame chicks by leaving them with their parents and simply staying consistent not only in early handling of the chick, but keeping only one or two pairs of birds (as opposed to the average breeder who keeps over ten) and maintaining a trusting, affectionate relationship with the parents. I myself have ended up with parents and nests dropped off at my rehab and can personally attest to the incredible results in returning to the long-trusted method of allowing the parent to rear their young.

You see, ultimately we hand feed for ourselves, not the bird. Breeders poo-poo the health risks and choose for their own benefit an option that has potential to kill the bird instead of opting for one that does not. Owner's choose hand-reared baps instead of rescues because the bond of trust forms more quickly. We take God's stunning creatures and force them to give to us companionship by re-wiring their precious minds instead of working with them to build the relationship, and all this without a SINGLE benefit to the bird herself.

So back to the beginning, even if we ignore the long-term health issues, pretend that rescues and rehab centers aren't very suddenly overflowing with abandoned birds, and forget that because of the abandonment crisis exotic birds have lost their protection from euthanasia only allowable when there is suffering or death is already imminent, there is still no reason to hold onto something that risks death to the chick when there is another option that offers the same result in docility.

As for wing clipping, I can not tell you how many people come sobbing to me because their clipped bird became a flighted bird or because a clipped bird crushed their keel on the ground. Few people have lost a flighted bird to hitting a window or wall not only because God made the mandible and pileum stronger structures, but because a bird permitted to fly navigates much better. Numerous clipped birds have caught breezes and have been unable to turn back to their owners or quickly dodge hawks. So, again putting aside the compromise to emotional health, clipping is extremely dangerous and upon final analysis offers absolutely nothing - the bird can and will fly at some point. A bird should never be left unsupervised, but we certainly don't need to harm the bird in order to make the first ten or so years easy on us.

I suppose you could say to each their own in these areas, but let's make sure to note that these harmful ways have a completely safe and ethical alternative. :hug:


Seattle Rain, how is your new pet doing? :confused: If you have kept her, one thing I encourage someone to do when they study and research is to research their avian companion in the wild. A parrot is not domesticated, so learning the lifestyle and habits of them in their God-given environment often helps people to apprehend the animal's frustration at a completely unnatural existence and better assist them in making captive life as pleasant as possible. :)
 
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