Paradigm Shift: Holistic Darwinism VS the Selfish Gene

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Do you prefer people with cookie cutter opinions produced by some shock jock somewhere? Does it present an issue for you if my opinions and beliefs are different then yours?

Misrepresenting the clear the positions of others, has nothing to do with having a different opinion. It has everything to do with; intellectual honesty.
 
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Except that's now what Dawkins said
They both do a lot of back stroking to show proper respect for each others position. They both make a lot of money selling a lot of books. If they did not play off of each other the way they do they would not sell as many books and not as many people would get involved in the discussion. When you say rumble people are going to run to see the fight. But they want to maintain their professional dignity and not make it look like they are ghetto in their disagreements. Do they still use that term or do they have a different term they use nowadays?
 
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Misrepresenting the clear the positions of others
Yeah right. The fight is on guys, gather around, it is time to rumble. If you want to see a good fight get some alley cats and throw a bit of food out there and watch the fur fly.
 
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Serious LOL. Keep up the entertaining content.
Yep I can see you ate the breakfast of champions this morning and you're feeling your oats. (Do you really like the cliche approach?)
 
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Oh the windmill exists. I am just having trouble staying awake because the whole discussion is so boring. Wilson is right we need to properly manage the ecosystems. With Trump as president it does not look like that is going to happen. Everyone thinks that Al Gore is a joke but he did a lot more for the environment than people give him credit for.

Do you actually understand what the article was talking about or do you not?
 
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What you think it's talking about, it isn't talking about.
Ok, glad we were able to get that cleared up. I have moved to Edward O Wilson. Professor emeritus at Harvard University and winner of two Pulitzer Prizes. Dawkins considers Wilson a leading authority if not the leading authority on the subject.

 
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Ok, glad we were able to get that cleared up. I have moved to Edward O Wilson. Professor emeritus at Harvard University and winner of two Pulitzer Prizes. Dawkins considers Wilson a leading authority if not the leading authority on the subject.


This has nothing to do with the fact that you presented a premise from the link you posted in your OP which you grossly misunderstood, and now you're backpedaling to avoid looking like a fool.
 
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This has nothing to do with the fact that you presented a premise from the link you posted in your OP which you grossly misunderstood, and now you're backpedaling to avoid looking like a fool.

Normal operating procedure. And, nothing was avoided, it is obvious.
 
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Normal operating procedure.
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OK one last try.

J19 your claim was that Dawkins the Selfish Gene had been 'proven wrong'.

You then linked to material from Corning that in no way proved your point, in fact an article that started by saying how useful the Selfish Gene was.

Then we moved onto a 'New Tree of Life' which whilst intereresting was irrevevent to your claim.

Now we move to Wilson, and yes Wilson thinks Dawkins is wrong about the usefulness of the Selfish Gene however you claim Dawkins has been 'proven wrong'. This you have consistently failed to demonstrate.

I have huge admiration for Wilson, his early work 'wrote the book' on the evolution of eusocial animals.
However he is wrong to claim that his 2010 paper with Nowak and Tarnita has put an end to the Selfish Gene and that most scientists agree with him.

That 2010 paper The evolution of eusociality (sorry paywall only abstract) has not been acepted, far from it, 137 of the World's leading evolutionary biologists wrote a critical reponse Inclusive fitness theory and eusociality (paywall again only abastract).

Also this 2015 paper Relatedness, Conflict, and the Evolution of Eusociality shows where they (WIlson, Nowak and Tarnita) went wrong.


Dawkins might turn out to be completely wrong about everything, one day someone might show the Selfish Gene concept to be utterly wrong but that hasn't happened yet your intial claim is false.
 
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You then linked to material from Corning that in no way proved your point
I am still doing a study on Corning. Clearly the precise mechanism of evolution was not understood by Darwin and is still not understood today. Corning feels that single cause theories are inadequate and we need a multi-dimensional perspective. This is why he comes up with his Synergism Hypothesis that he wrote a book about.

Corning tends to look more at the social science. This requires a synthesis of social science and life science. My wife actually has her degree in Sociology, so Corning's approach makes perfect sense to her. If we were to ask what is the queen of social science: Biology or Physics, Corning would most likely say the Queen of Social Science going back to Aristotle is Politics.

Dawkins approach does nothing to explain co evolution.
 
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I am still doing a study on Corning. Clearly the precise mechanism of evolution was not understood by Darwin and is still not understood today. Corning feels that single cause theories are inadequate and we need a multi-dimensional perspective. This is why he comes up with his Synergism Hypothesis that he wrote a book about.

Corning tends to look more at the social science. This requires a synthesis of social science and life science. My wife actually has her degree in Sociology, so Corning's approach makes perfect sense to her. If we were to ask what is the queen of social science: Biology or Physics, Corning would most likely say the Queen of Social Science going back to Aristotle is Politics.

This word salad didn't address the point, you replied to.
 
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This word salad didn't address the point, you replied to.
Perhaps that is because Dawkins brand of evolution is a mixed up confused lie. It is a counterfeit and a forgery. People do not want to put any effort into learning how evolution really works.

 
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