Pants on Women

apsalmistspraise · Nov 7, 2008

Sanchez said:
I think the photograph of the suckling child is the beautiful art of God. Could what be more pure than woman and child? Such is not the evil, such is beauty of God. If you see the immodest in suckling photograph, perhaps eyes of devil you see through.

It is very very wrong for you to think that i could see through the eyes of the devil. I am a new creation in Christ and you cannot serve or be of two masters. read my other posts for proof of the fact that i see NOTHING with the eyes of the devil. Don't insult me just because I have an opinion. She is the baring a boob on a christian forum. yes I see the beautiful baby. quite beautiful but I also know that even eve in the garden of eden NOTICED her nakedness as wrong and that was why she went looking for fig leaves to cover herself and she was infront of only God and her husband. I make a valid point whether you agree or disagree. this is my last post here in this thread. I should have known better to try and fellowship with other christians even over something as clear as modesty. be blessed.

FreeinChrist · Nov 7, 2008

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NDNgirl4ever · Nov 8, 2008

I wear pants all the time. I too think the verses about men not looking like women and vice-versa actually refer to transexualism. I'm glad that women can wear pants now, because I'm an EMT and I want to be a nurse, and dresses are very impratical in the back of an ambulance.
Off topic: I am not offended by Miss Shelby's avantar. Breastfeeding is a beautiful, natural thing, and it's nothing to be ashamed of or hidden.

Oklahoman · Nov 8, 2008

Sanchez said:
I think the photograph of the suckling child is the beautiful art of God. Could what be more pure than woman and child? Such is not the evil, such is beauty of God. If you see the immodest in suckling photograph, perhaps eyes of devil you see through.

Sanchez,

There is this new invention called... what was that? - Oh Yeah! A blanket!! Nobody needs to be seeing a woman feeding her child. To say otherwise is pure nonsense! I can't even believe that we have to be telling someone this on this forum. Utter foolishness!!!!

apsalmistspraise · Nov 8, 2008

Oklahoman said:
Sanchez,

There is this new invention called... what was that? - Oh Yeah! A blanket!! Nobody needs to be seeing a woman feeding her child. To say otherwise is pure nonsense! I can't even believe that we have to be telling someone this on this forum. Utter foolishness!!!!

DITTO

holyrokker · Nov 8, 2008

Never mind.

I wish there were a way of deleting my own posts.

DeaconDean · Nov 9, 2008

holyrokker said:
I wish there were a way of deleting my own posts.

Do like I do, hit the edit button, highlight whatever you wish and hit the delete or type in deleted.

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higgs2 · Nov 9, 2008

Miss Shelby said:
so much focus on the bare skin and none on the delighted little baby.

Oh that sweet baby. (((baby)))

GreenEyedLady · Nov 9, 2008

sageoffools said:
Hey all, thanks for your thoughts and insights on this issue. Sorry I had to leave, I can only connect while at work (which I was happy to leave ).
GEL, I'm not trying to attack you, but you seem to be the only person defending the no-pants position, which is why I am directing my questions to you.
Both the verse and the issues that you brought up go back to the gender-identity issue that I mentioned in my OP, a woman should not wear something that pertains to a man. Well, don't you wear a shirt (maybe I don't want to know the answer ). So does a shirt pertain to a man or a woman? What about shorts? Are they "male" or "female" clothes?
I think the answer is that they are both. The key is that they are each made differently, to distinguish which gender they are designed for. There are mens shirts and there are womens shirts. If we apply the pants logic to shirts would we not have to say that either men or women should stop wearing shirts, because they belong to the other gender? Do pants really "belong" to men?
I think the key is that men should wear mens pants and mens shirts and mens shorts, and women should wear womens pants and womens shirts and womens shorts.

I would love some more thoughts on this. Especially if you are of the opinion that women should not wear pants.

I think God this scripture is not talking about clothing the way you think it is. As I stated before, in biblical times, what you wore, was what you were. Yes, men wore robes, but they also wore britches underneath that went all the way down to their thigh. The women did not wear these.
You have to ask you self, what pertains to a man, what pertains to a women. There are universal signs that speak to every person, regardless of their language, where they KNOW what is male and what is female. You see these signs everywhere you go.

You are comparing shirts. That is like comparing shoes. We all wear them. Shirts and shoes pertain to both. What one article separates a man from a women? A dress or a skirt.
Pants belonged to men for centuries. It is only now, in this liberal day and age that pants are worn on both men and women. For centuries, this was not the case. I think that if you look at history, and how long women have been wearing pants, the dress/skirt issue only became an issue after WW11 when women had to take on mens jobs.
If you want to know the truth, I believe pants belong to men.
The last time I looked there were only 2 pages to this post. Now there are 5 and I have not read any of them yet. Its a hot topic usually.
I don't get offended easily, so if you want to ask more questions, bring them on.
GEL

Miss Shelby · Nov 9, 2008

apsalmistspraise said:
If i had a picture of my breast there no overing but a star on my nipple it would be considered as nudity and improper.

I would never wear a star or a nipple ring, and it is niether on my avatar, it is a precious child. children of the devil wear nipple rings, ma'am.

VT_Boy · Nov 9, 2008

sageoffools said:
Pants on Women
Ok, I don't know if this is the best place to post this question (I have also posted it in the Young Adults forum). However, being a Baptist, I am interested in the feelings on this issue from a Baptist viewpoint.

My question is regarding pants on women. Growing up in church we were always taught that it was unBiblical for women to wear pants, no women in our house our in our church wore pants. This is a standard that I have held to my whole life.
We are now at a point in our society where women wearing pants seems to be the norm, it is no longer seen as unusual or "unBiblical". Now, as I look around I realize that "every" woman wears pants now. Honestly, in all of the Baptist churches that I know of around here, my wife is the only woman that does not wear pants. Even my former pastor, who preached it for all those years, has relented his position, along with all of my family.

I guess, to get to the point, my real question is, what are your thoughts about women wearing pants. Let me say, I am not looking to start a battle of right or wrong, I am simply looking for some Biblical reasons why you do, or do not think women should wear pants. How do you feel about it, and what Scripture did you use to reach that conclusion? I am struggling with this issue, and would like some reasoning to consider.

Thanks!

I have no problem with women wearing pants or any clothes made for women that are modest. Even though I'm a guy, I've hear women talking about guys not being modest in what they wear too and there is usually a double standard.
There's too many things that a woman does that isn't modest wearing a dress or skirt doing. Women not wearing pants is a "man's rule" and not a "God rule."

Miss Shelby said:
I would never wear a star or a nipple ring, and it is niether on my avatar, it is a precious child. children of the devil wear nipple rings, ma'am.

You used to be a CF mod and you know the rules & posting questionable or debating posts in the "Baptist" forum causes problems like has happened several times in the past with your posts.
Breastfeeding is "natural" but also it is "cultural" especially in the U.S. to "cover up" not to offend others. Just because you have a different opinion on the matter doesn't give you a right to offend others in the "Baptist" forum which is not your "home" forum and when you keep coming here to posts you are offending Baptists & violating the rules in the Baptists forum.

sageoffools · Nov 10, 2008

GreenEyedLady said:
I think God this scripture is not talking about clothing the way you think it is. As I stated before, in biblical times, what you wore, was what you were. Yes, men wore robes, but they also wore britches underneath that went all the way down to their thigh. The women did not wear these.
You have to ask you self, what pertains to a man, what pertains to a women. There are universal signs that speak to every person, regardless of their language, where they KNOW what is male and what is female. You see these signs everywhere you go.

You are comparing shirts. That is like comparing shoes. We all wear them. Shirts and shoes pertain to both. What one article separates a man from a women? A dress or a skirt.
Pants belonged to men for centuries. It is only now, in this liberal day and age that pants are worn on both men and women. For centuries, this was not the case. I think that if you look at history, and how long women have been wearing pants, the dress/skirt issue only became an issue after WW11 when women had to take on mens jobs.
If you want to know the truth, I believe pants belong to men.
The last time I looked there were only 2 pages to this post. Now there are 5 and I have not read any of them yet. Its a hot topic usually.
I don't get offended easily, so if you want to ask more questions, bring them on.
GEL

Hey All! Thanks for your thoughts regarding pants on women.
GEL, once again, as one of the sole posters against women wearing pants, I must resort to directing my questions to you.
Your comment is really my point. Yes comparing shirts is like comparing shoes, we all wear them, but what is the difference? The difference is that there are shirts designed for women and men, and shoes designed for women and men. What separates womens clothes from mens clothes is which gender they are designed for, regardless of what the article is. I would not wear either womens shirts or shoes, because they are designed for women. Nor would I expect a woman to wear mens shirts or shoes or pants, because they are designed for men.
Regarding briches (breeches) in the Bible. Breeches are mentioned 5 times, 2x in Exodus, 2x in Leviticus, and 1x in Ezekiel. Every time that they are mentioned they were being worn by priests, not men in general.
When the priests would walk up the stairs to the altar to make the sacrifice it would expose their private parts, so God told them to wear breeches to cover themselves. According to Exodus, the breeches were to cover from the "loins to the thigh". Basically from the upper waist to the upper legs, which to me sounds more like boxers than pants. God was telling them to put on shorts to keep their private areas from being exposed during a time of sacrifice to God.
As far as the sign goes, it only works because we have been conditioned to understand that the person wearing a triangle is a woman. Just as we all understand that a picture of a lightbulb over someones head means that they have an idea, we have been preconditioned to know what it means.

sageoffools · Nov 10, 2008

I want to clarify one thing. I am not discussing here whether or not women should wear pants. For me the question is whether or not women can wear pants, whether or not the Bible allows it.
This clarification is due to the discussion that I had with my wife this morning (who has worn skirts exclusively since she was 13).
Even if someone reaches the conclusion that the Bible permits women to wear pants, that does not mean that they have to, or even that they should.
Honestly, this only becomes relevant to a person who chooses to wear skirts when they decide to do something that would require them to wear pants, e.g. skiing.
Should my wife choose to continue to wear skirts, the answer to this question would be relevant to determine whether or not it would be "wrong" for her to wear pants to ski.

Just wanted to clarify.

kellyc · Nov 10, 2008

since men in the bible wore robes, i think they should wear dresses (long) now, which are the most robe-like clothing available in our time other than bathrobes.

GreenEyedLady · Nov 10, 2008

sageoffools said:
I want to clarify one thing. I am not discussing here whether or not women should wear pants. For me the question is whether or not women can wear pants, whether or not the Bible allows it.
This clarification is due to the discussion that I had with my wife this morning (who has worn skirts exclusively since she was 13).
Even if someone reaches the conclusion that the Bible permits women to wear pants, that does not mean that they have to, or even that they should.
Honestly, this only becomes relevant to a person who chooses to wear skirts when they decide to do something that would require them to wear pants, e.g. skiing.
Should my wife choose to continue to wear skirts, the answer to this question would be relevant to determine whether or not it would be "wrong" for her to wear pants to ski.

Just wanted to clarify.

Regarding your post before this one. Why can't men wear skirts MADE for men? What is the problem? I mean if its okay for women to wear pants, why can't men wear skirts? Would you wear a skirt if it was designed for men?
Why do you compare pants and shirts instead of pants and skirts?? Wouldn't that be a better comparison? We are talking about the lower half of the body. Would it be okay if our pastors wore skirts? Why or why not?

When it comes to activites such as skiing, 4 wheeling, biking. I wear pants because it the safest thing to wear. I don't think its wrong to wear these during activities such as these.

Let's think about this for a second. WHY would man "make up" this rule? I mean really, what do they benifit out of it? When a pastor makes a standard like this in his church HE KNOWS that many people will leave or won't join because of it. So, what do you think a pastor's motivation is for making the rule of women workers wearing skirts?

GEL

Beckyy25 · Nov 11, 2008

sageoffools said:
One more thing that I wanted to mention.
The big argument that I always heard against women wearing pants, especially while in Bible college in the South, was two-fold:
1. Modesty
2. Gender Identity

1. Modesty - women should not wear pants because they are not modest.
My response to this argument is that there are skirts that are immodest. A women came into my office today for training, and had on a skirt so tight that I am surprised that she got it on. The key is, just as a woman would look for a modest skirt, she could look for modest pants. To me, this argument does not hold much water.
2. Gender Identity - women should wear skirts, to easily identify their gender. When a woman wears pants, it is too hard to distinguish her gender. Once again, to me this argument does not really work. Both men and women wear shirts, what is the difference? A woman's shirt is made differently than a man's shirt, so you can tell the difference. This same thing is true with pants, womens pants are made differently, to distinguish them from mens pants.

Again, I am not trying to start a debate with anyone, I am just trying to figure this out for myself, and wanted to address some of the arguments that I have heard, potentially before they were brought up.
Thanks for your input on this issue!

I think you are perfectly right with what you said above.

My personal opinion is that women should feel free to wear the clothes they feel comfortable with. But there has to be a clear difference between a person who is not believing in God and one who does believe in God!
I'm saying this, because people who do not care about God's will, do not care that the clothes they wear may be provocative or indecent. They wear clothes to attrakt attention, or for other purposes.

I think your behavior and clothing shows who you are, what interests and intentions you have.

I try to live according to these verses:

1 Peter 3:3-4 (NIV)

"Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight."

BereanTodd · Nov 11, 2008

GreenEyedLady said:
Regarding your post before this one. Why can't men wear skirts MADE for men? What is the problem? I mean if its okay for women to wear pants, why can't men wear skirts? Would you wear a skirt if it was designed for men?

They do, they are called kilts, and I have absolutely no problem with them at all.

BlackSabb · Nov 12, 2008

Sorry. Edit post. My bad. Forgot about the congregational rules.

Uh oh, spaghettio.

sageoffools · Nov 12, 2008

GreenEyedLady said:
Regarding your post before this one. Why can't men wear skirts MADE for men? What is the problem? I mean if its okay for women to wear pants, why can't men wear skirts? Would you wear a skirt if it was designed for men?
Why do you compare pants and shirts instead of pants and skirts?? Wouldn't that be a better comparison? We are talking about the lower half of the body. Would it be okay if our pastors wore skirts? Why or why not?

When it comes to activites such as skiing, 4 wheeling, biking. I wear pants because it the safest thing to wear. I don't think its wrong to wear these during activities such as these.

Let's think about this for a second. WHY would man "make up" this rule? I mean really, what do they benifit out of it? When a pastor makes a standard like this in his church HE KNOWS that many people will leave or won't join because of it. So, what do you think a pastor's motivation is for making the rule of women workers wearing skirts?

GEL

Hey GEL, To echo what BereanTodd said, it's a cultural thing. Our society does not accept men wearing skirts, but there are other cultures that do (e.g. the Scots) and I think that it is perfectly acceptable for them to do so. I am also sure that if our society and tradition dictated that men wear skirts (or kilts) most men would do so, and we would think nothing of it. The only reason that the skirts vs pants for women is even an issue right now, is because we are living in the transitional time in our society. I could be wrong, but most likely in 30 years, no one will have even a second thought about women wearing pants. There will be no bitter messages about how immodest or ungodly they are, because we will be past the transitional generations. Just my opinion.

Regarding wearing pants during the activities that you listed. So, what you are saying is that it is acceptable to wear pants sometimes, but not others. What is the difference? It seems to me that your standard is based on convenience, it is right to wear pants only when it is convenient. If you think it is wrong for women to wear pants, shouldn't it be wrong no matter what you are doing? (I'm not trying to attack you or your standard, I am just trying to understand it.)

Finally, unfortunately many times, in many religions, with many men, standards and rules are made up. I could be wrong, but I believe that in most cases the men have the best of intentions, but they create rules out of some misinterpreted passage of the Bible. To give you an example. There is a local church pastored by a friend of mine, where all of the women must cover their head in church, be it with a hat or scarf or something. He created this rule based on the passage in 1 Corinthians 11, stating that women must have their heads covered when they pray or prophesy. This rule does not help him any, it does not increase his attendance, in fact it probably drives people away, as they keep a box of head coverings in the back for visiting women to wear. I also think that this rule is wrong, and based on a misinterpretation of scripture, but he continues to teach it, not because it is popular, but because he believes it is right. However, this does not mean that he is right, just that he believes that he is right. I think the same is true for women wearing pants, I also think that is why it is sooooo important to study the Bible for yourself, and study what you are being taught, so that you can be sure of what the Bible teaches for yourself.

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