Overwhelming Evidence for an Old Earth

[juvenissun]

I answered your questions to the best of my ability and I cannot see how any further comment from me has any bearing at all. You brought the subject up and I see absolutely no way that the Garden of Eden has any bearing on the age of the earth. Quite frankly I don't care whether or not you post further on the subject, since all you have done so far is play games regarding whatever you have in mind.

I guess anything that does not cost money would be like a game to you.
That is fine. We just use this word in different ways. According to you, I am playing games for all my life.
It would be a big game in talking about the age of the earth.

 

[Geode]

No, you can not.

Sure you can. In five seconds Google provided me with the following:

Field Geologist/ Petrologist (tenure-track faculty)

California, USA

California University of Pennsylvania invites applications for this tenure-track faculty position, Department of Earth Sciences. Candidate will be an outstanding educator who can integrate classroom, technology, field and laboratory approaches to teaching geosciences. Candidates must demonstrate experience working with diverse populations.

RANK & SALARY: This is a tenure-track faculty appointment. Rank and salary are competitive and commensurate with academic preparation and experience. An excellent fringe benefits package is included.

THE SUCCESSFUL APPLICANT must be capable of and committed to effective teaching and fulfillment of professional responsibilities, continuing scholarly growth, and service contribution to the University and communities. Also, the successful applicant will have experience working with diverse populations.

ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES include involvement with departmental, college-wide, and university committees. Also, in accordance with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement between the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education and APSCUF, the successful applicant might be assigned to perform work at off-campus sites, in the evening/weekend college and/or provide instruction through online and/or other distance education methods

Candidate will be expected to teach from among the following courses: Earth Resources, Mineralogy, Petrology, Geochemistry, and Introductory Geology and Earth Sciences courses. Candidate is expected to teach upper-division courses within their expertise and also be willing to teach other upper-division courses. Candidate will be an outstanding educator who can integrate classroom, field and laboratory approaches to teaching geosciences. Candidate will have broad expertise in field methods focusing on geological resources and field mapping techniques. Candidate will be expected to develop and integrate into undergraduate curriculum student-centered, hands-on activitities and course projects involving field work. Candidate will maintain and seek internal and external funding for further developing the department's Environmental Geology Laboratory along with an active program of undergraduate research in their field of expertise. Preference will be given to candidates with experience in geological resources and geographic information systems.

In addition to the aforementioned requirements, in order to be a leading applicant in this search the applicant minimally must be fluent in the English language, be able to communicate well, demonstrate outstanding potential for excellence in teaching through a successful interview and/or classroom demonstration and be experienced in the use of innovative curricular approaches that are student-centered, inquiry-based, and hands-on oriented. A Ph.D. in Geology or related field is required, and college teaching experience is preferred. ABD will be considered only if they can demonstrate that they will complete the doctorate prior to the start date. TO BE CONSIDERED, applicants must submit the following: full curriculum vitae; official transcripts from all colleges and universities attended; letter of application highlighting the applicant's qualifications and teaching interests; brief statements describing teaching philosophy; and the names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses of three current references who have knowledge of the applicant's abilities. Reference information must be uploaded into the system as a single document to be accepted as an applicant.

TRANSCRIPTS: PDF versions of unofficial transcripts must be uploaded when applying online. Unofficial transcripts should be scanned into one document before uploading into the system. Applicants selected for on-campus inteviews will be asked to bring official transcripts from all colleges and universities to the on-campus interview.

FILE SIZE LIMITS: Files uploaded to the online application should be kept as small as possible. The system has a file size limit of approximately 2MB.

VETERANS should forward a copy of form DD214 to the Office of Social Equity, 250 University Ave, Box 9, California, PA 15419

REFERENCES & CLEARANCE: References will be checked. Background clearances are required and will be conducted on applicants being considered. During on-campus interviews, applicants will be asked to sign a release for a background clearance check and to submit a copy of a driver's license. Integrity, Civility, and Responsibility are the official core values of California University of Pennsylvania, an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. Women, minorities, veterans, and persons with disabilities are encouraged to apply. California University of Pennsylvania is M/F/V/D/AA/EOE.

TENURE-TRACK MINERALOGIST/PETROLOGIST, DEPARTMENT OF GEOLOGY,
BAYLOR UNIVERSITY​

The Department of Geology at Baylor University invites applications for a tenure-track Assistant
Professor in Mineralogy or Petrology, beginning August of 2012. Applicants must hold a Ph.D.
in geology at the time of appointment. The Department currently consists of 16 geoscientists.
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Research:​

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We seek an individual with research interests in mineralogy, igneous or metamorphic
petrology or high-temperature geochemistry who is capable of building a strong, externally
funded research program. Research space is available in the 500,000 ft2 “state-of-the-art” Baylor
Sciences Building. Research equipment current available includes a Siemans D5000 X-ray
diffractometer, a Rigaku Primus wavelength-dispersive X-ray fluorescence spectrometer, a
Thermo Finnigan Delta V IRMS and sample preparation facilities including a strong-acid-rated
fume hood and high-temperature furnace. A shared ICP-MS instrument is also available, as well
as a SEM, TEM, and confocal microscopy in a shared lab facility.
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Teaching:​

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We seek an individual with a strong commitment to excellence in teaching, and
require that he/she contribute significantly to the undergraduate program, by teaching
undergraduate mineralogy and petrology courses, as well as contributing to the graduate (M.S.
and Ph.D.) programs in Geology by teaching graduate courses or seminars in his/her areas of
specialization.
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Application Process:​

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Send letter of application, including statement of teaching and research
interests, curriculum vitae, copies of transcripts, and the names and contact information for three
references to: Dr. Steve Dworkin, Chair, Search Committee, Department of Geology, Baylor
University, One Bear Place #97354, Waco, TX 76798-7354 (Tel: 254-710-2361)

The review of applications will begin December 15, 2011. To ensure full consideration, application must be completed by January 1, 2012. Baylor is a Baptist university affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas. As an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity employer, Baylor encourages minorities, women, veterans and persons with disabilities to apply. ​

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[Geode]

I guess anything that does not cost money would be like a game to you.
That is fine. We just use this word in different ways. According to you, I am playing games for all my life.
It would be a big game in talking about the age of the earth.

No, anybody who posts in a run-around and evasive manner such as you have done with this topic is playing games. I have no idea if you have been doing this all of your life.

 

[Geode]

Told you.

 

[juvenissun]

Sure you can. In five seconds Google provided me with the following:


I can't post links yet.

No. The ads are looking for expertise, they are not titles.

 

[juvenissun]

No, anybody who posts in a run-around and evasive manner such as you have done with this topic is playing games. I have no idea if you have been doing this all of your life.

An abstractive comment is not evasive. It does not mean a game. Not everyone talks like an engineer.

 

[Geode]

No. The ads are looking for expertise, they are not titles.

I would suggest that you either need new glasses or need to brush up on your reading skills as you should have seen that a title including "Petrology" was plainly included in one of the postings. The use of capital letters shows that this is an intended title.

"The Department of Geology at Baylor University invites applications for a tenure-track Assistant Professor in Mineralogy or Petrology, beginning August of 2012. Applicants must hold a Ph.D."

 

[Geode]

An abstractive comment is not evasive. It does not mean a game. Not everyone talks like an engineer.

Like I said, feel free to keep playing a game regarding this "abstract" idea that you broached but refuse to develop further. But don't expect anybody else to care whether or not you actually post anything remotely resembling a coherent argument.

 

[juvenissun]

I would suggest that you either need new glasses or need to brush up on your reading skills as you should have seen that a title including "Petrology" was plainly included in one of the postings. The use of capital letters shows that this is an intended title.

"The Department of Geology at Baylor University invites applications for a tenure-track Assistant Professor in Mineralogy or Petrology, beginning August of 2012. Applicants must hold a Ph.D."

No. The title is "Assistant Professor". There is nothing to stop this person to teach other courses than min/pet. Through time, this person might not even teach petrology but teach something like tectonics.

I never know academics is such a strange animal to an engineer.

 

[juvenissun]

Like I said, feel free to keep playing a game regarding this "abstract" idea that you broached but refuse to develop further. But don't expect anybody else to care whether or not you actually post anything remotely resembling a coherent argument.

I did not refuse to do anything. It is you who do not accept my argument (and did not provide any reason for that). If so, why should I continue?

 

[Orogeny]

I did not refuse to do anything. It is you who do not accept my argument (and did not provide any reason for that). If so, why should I continue?

Your 'argument' is based on an assumption that has neither evidential backing or the possibility of evidential backing. You're asking him to accept something that is entirely ad hoc just to make you happy. If the first step in a hypothesis is 'accept this unfalsifiable assumption or it doesn't work', then you're not participating in science.

 

[Geode]

No. The title is "Assistant Professor". There is nothing to stop this person to teach other courses than min/pet. Through time, this person might not even teach petrology but teach something like tectonics.

I never know academics is such a strange animal to an engineer.

Well, academics may be a strange animal to an engineer or an academic, but I don't think either of us needs to worry about that problem considering that it appears that neither of these titles could be correctly attributed to either of us.

I think you should contact Professor Jon Blundy at the University of Bristol and tell him that his title of Professor of Petrology is wrong since he also teaches first year students in general geology. You probably should also contact Dr Stearns A. Morse at the University of Mass. and tell him that his title of Research Professor of Petrology is wrong even though he has held the title at the University of Massachusetts for the past 14 years. You would have thought that somebody would have corrected this error by now.

 

[juvenissun]

Well, academics may be a strange animal to an engineer or an academic, but I don't think either of us needs to worry about that problem considering that it appears that neither of these titles could be correctly attributed to either of us.

I think you should contact Professor Jon Blundy at the University of Bristol and tell him that his title of Professor of Petrology is wrong since he also teaches first year students in general geology. You probably should also contact Dr Stearns A. Morse at the University of Mass. and tell him that his title of Research Professor of Petrology is wrong even though he has held the title at the University of Massachusetts for the past 14 years. You would have thought that somebody would have corrected this error by now.

I am not sure. People may do strange things. But I doubt those are the titles on their contract (do they need a contract?). If true, it would certainly be very strange. Anyway, I don't have that. However, if that makes me not to be a petrologist, it would be very strange too. In fact, I really don't care if I am a petrologist, or am called a petrologist. I study rocks. That would be enough. If nobody called me a petrologist, I will call it myself, as one of my titles.

I suggest you quit this issue and, if you like to, go back to the topic of the OP.

 

[juvenissun]

I do not understand how people can believe in a Young Earth when there is Overwhelming evidence for an Old Earth. For example look at the Grand Canyon. Young Earth people say it was carved out in recent history, in the last 13,000 years. Ok, I can accept that, but look at what was carved out. The Grand Canyon is made in layers that obviously took a very long time to be formed. In fact often layers had to be broken down from a solid rock to a very fine partical, so it can be layed down as a layer. Geological evidence shows this earth has been around for a long time. The young earth theory has been shown not to be true for over 100 years now. Often it was Christians trying to show a young earth that discovered that the earth is actually very ancient.

Anyone here take this verse seriously?

II Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Literally or metaphorically, how do you understand it? Do you think this verse bear any meaning to the "age" of the earth?

 

[Geode]

I am not sure. People may do strange things. But I doubt those are the titles on their contract (do they need a contract?). If true, it would certainly be very strange. Anyway, I don't have that. However, if that makes me not to be a petrologist, it would be very strange too. In fact, I really don't care if I am a petrologist, or am called a petrologist. I study rocks. That would be enough. If nobody called me a petrologist, I will call it myself, as one of my titles.

I suggest you quit this issue and, if you like to, go back to the topic of the OP.

I think the most important consideration is whether or not anybody pays or funds you to study rocks.

 

[juvenissun]

I think the most important consideration is whether or not anybody pays or funds you to study rocks.

Partially true.

I will study rocks even after I retired. God creates rocks. They are wonderful. The key is to know how to study rocks after the retirement. Would you still have chance to interpret new (or old) geological data after your retirement? I don't think so. If geology is only a job to you, that is too bad.

 

[Geode]

Partially true.

I will study rocks even after I retired. God creates rocks. They are wonderful. The key is to know how to study rocks after the retirement. Would you still have chance to interpret new (or old) geological data after your retirement? I don't think so. If geology is only a job to you, that is too bad.

We have been discussing formal titles. I would still maintain that a formal title usually is applied when one is paying or funding somebody for their work. The key for you is probably getting somebody to pay you to do geology now.

I was involved in the sudy of geology for many years before anybody paid me for my knowledge and abilities in the subject. But I never called myself a geologist until I was paid for doing geology. I originally studied it because I liked doing so, and not to get a job as my principal objective. When I did my undergraduate work there were only 30 majors at my university. Then OPEC and the oil embargo started and two years later there were about 250 majors. I started grad school thinking that there were still few jobs out there, I had not researched the situation for once again I just wanted to study for the love of the science. Then I discovered that there was a great demand for geologists and had multiple job offers upon getting my MS degree. You can tell those who are in it for the money, they fall away in "down" times or change majors.

I study geology on my own time after work, in areas that have nothing to do with what I do at work. I suspect I will continue to do so after I retire as I keep up with it on my own time as it is.

I admire people who are interested in geology as a hobby, as you appear to be.

 

[juvenissun]

Will this one show?

My last post is missing and the one I posted moment ago is also missing.

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