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in America especially...

is it a thing?

does it exist in your mind?

how do you feel that God views it?

how do you think God takes care of the financial needs of His people under such a burden?

This question will be answered differently by people depending on their political affiliations and motivations, and the models of population growth and sustainability that they adopt.

Given the significant increases in lifespans that have been provided via science, modern medicine and other technological advances, it's certainly a question that warrants serious consideration and ethical reasoning.
 
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is it a thing?

does it exist in your mind?

how do you feel that God views it?

how do you think God takes care of the financial needs of His people under such a burden?

Well, I believe that we are all created by God (even those who don't know Him or believe He is real). I believe He loves each and every one of us, and that we are all intrinsically valuable.
 
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Over population does exist or so I'm told but if the whole world of people were to be divided among the whole world, I doubt it would be an issue. So at least in that sense, over population probably isn't a problem as of yet. In the /USA? No.

Either way, It doesn't concern me in the least, and one reason is I believe it will all be ended before it becomes an issue.

I think God views it as a non issue. If for no other reason, I just don't think anything is going to get away from him or "out of hand" because he has full control. If it should seem to get out of hand to us, it's as he intends to let it be. IOW, as I mentioned, for example it could be parts of the world are overpopulated but if we insist on being so selfish/greedy or whatever and don't allow those who need it to spread out, then he may leave that up to us. Our fault and a solution does exist but the issue is ours because we don't love our neighbor.
 
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Over population does exist or so I'm told but if the whole world of people were to be divided among the whole world, I doubt it would be an issue. So at least in that sense, over population probably isn't a problem as of yet. In the /USA? No.

Are you referring to physical space or resource consumption?

Either way, It doesn't concern me in the least, and one reason is I believe it will all be ended before it becomes an issue.

What if you are wrong?
 
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Are you referring to physical space or resource consumption?

Inhabitable space. As to resources, once again, love thy neighbor and I really believe the worlds basic or even beyond needs wouldn't be a problem but it would take more than just a few to pull it off.

What if you are wrong?

Then I'm wrong. And keep in mind that was only one reason I wasn't concerned.
 
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How do YOU define overpopulation then?

As I mentioned in my previous post, the definition of overpopulation will be dependent on a variety of factors.

For a baseline definition, one would include factors such as the size of the population, the density of the population to available, livable space, and the distribution of resources among this population.

But where this question gets tricky is in relation to how we define quality of life within this population. For example, it's possible that a country the size of America could support several billion (if not more) people. But what of available resources? If we assume an even distribution of resources to every individual, does this distribution support our predefined standard for quality of life? And is this quality of life measured by mere subsistence, or does it presume other factors? Obviously, how we answer this question will determine how we estimate the levels of population that are understood to be sustainable.

Additionally, political considerations come into play. For example, as a population grows, it becomes more and more important to ensure that available resources are evenly distributed (if, of course, the goal is to sustain the population level). But such a guarantee of equity in distribution will invariably involve governmental authority, which may impinge on the liberties of some (or all) individuals within this population.

So the question of overpopulation really comes down to how wish to define the mean quality of life that is desirable and the ends to which you are willing to go in order to enforce this within the population. Overpopulation, then, would represent a state of affairs in which it is impossible to maintain such standards.
 
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I think God views it as a non issue. If for no other reason, I just don't think anything is going to get away from him or "out of hand" because he has full control. If it should seem to get out of hand to us, it's as he intends to let it be. IOW, as I mentioned, for example it could be parts of the world are overpopulated but if we insist on being so selfish/greedy or whatever and don't allow those who need it to spread out, then he may leave that up to us. Our fault and a solution does exist but the issue is ours because we don't love our neighbor.

This is a bit naive, IMO. Looking at the full scope of human history, there have been many times in which things have gotten "out of hand". Perhaps God wasn't as big a fan of those people as God is of us? :doh:
 
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There is a generally known phenomenon that as population get wealthier and better education, they have fewer children. In Europe this is already widely seen. Population growth there is mostly due to immigration. So the solution to global overpopulation is prosperity and education.
 
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This is a bit naive, IMO. Looking at the full scope of human history, there have been many times in which things have gotten "out of hand". Perhaps God wasn't as big a fan of those people as God is of us? :doh:

Could be you misunderstand what I'm saying, but if not, hope you'll forgive the bluntness, but I think it's a little naive for any Christian to believe anything is beyond Gods control. IOW, it may seem out of hand to us or WE actually did get, or let things get out of hand, but it never is out of his control or has gotten to the point Gods power can't control it.

If it is what it is, whatever it is, it is because he let it.
 
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There is a generally known phenomenon that as population get wealthier and better education, they have fewer children. In Europe this is already widely seen. Population growth there is mostly due to immigration. So the solution to global overpopulation is prosperity and education.

So one recognizes the real problem is too many children born?

It may well be that universal prosperity and education is virtually impossible to achieve (there have been a lot of attempts in a lot of places).
It may be that the only kind of population control that can be universally achieved would involved a lot of forced birth control?
 
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Could be you misunderstand what I'm saying, but if not, hope you'll forgive the bluntness, but I think it's a little naive for any Christian to believe anything is beyond Gods control. IOW, it may seem out of hand to us or WE actually did get, or let things get out of hand, but it never is out of his control or has gotten to the point Gods power can't control it.

If it is what it is, whatever it is, it is because he let it.

Thinking in terms of God's "power" being related to what does and does not happen within the universe is a very narrow and thin understanding of God's eternal nature. God's power is not measurable nor demonstrable on the basis of phenomenology...if it were, God would be "a god", yet another "thing" within the scope of the contingent creation. But God is not a "thing", nor does God "possess" power in the sense that we think of power. Such thinking leads only to a material view of God.
 
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Thinking in terms of God's "power" being related to what does and does not happen within the universe is a very narrow and thin understanding of God's eternal nature. God's power is not measurable nor demonstrable on the basis of phenomenology...if it were, God would be "a god", yet another "thing" within the scope of the contingent creation. But God is not a "thing", nor does God "possess" power in the sense that we think of power. Such thinking leads only to a material view of God.

Not sure I understand your point, does what you are conveying make what I said wrong? If so and if you would, please bring it down a notch and explain.

If not, and what you are saying is that I simply do not understand God fully, then there never was any doubt.
 
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Not sure I understand your point, does what you are conveying make what I said wrong? If so and if you would, please bring it down a notch and explain.

If not, and what you are saying is that I simply do not understand God fully, then there never was any doubt.

My point is that your conception of God's power is "off". You have said that God can do something about "X" if God chooses to, but that if "X" continues to be a problem, it's because God wants it that way. In such statements, your understanding of God's power is that of divine "ability" to manipulate circumstances within the creation. This led me to what I said previously, that if one's conception of God's power is such, it is a sign of an understanding of God as "thing", as just another species of existence within the created order.
 
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