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I have been going to a church since I was ten. I have never really felt accepted there. I had no real friends there for two years. Finally, met up with a girl that was alone like me. We became like sisters. The other young teens and teens bullied us a lot, but no one seemed to see them or when they did they didn't do anything because it was their child, niece, nephew, etc. So a year passed and we both started into the youth group. The girl that bullied us worst was the daughter of the youth pastors. One night at our overnight cookie bake, the teens ganged up on us. Because we dressed unique they called us goths (which in their terms translates into witches, evil, etc.). Because I brought two different boyfriends to church (one I dated for 3 years and broke up with and one I'm still dating to this day) they said I was sinful. They called my friend a fat cow. They called my boyfriend, my friend, and me retards and they threw things at us. Before we could tell the youth pastors, their daughter told them everything they did to us, we did to them. We got yelled at in a corner by the youth pastors with all three of us crying.

That was about two years ago. My boyfriend who was unsaved at the time almost stopped comming to church, but he did and gave his life to the lord a month later. He is still having trouble forgiving those involved. My friend slowly stopped comming to church. She became a cutter, bisexual, and I believe is currently running from God although she wants to be near him. She still comes to church sometimes.

I have done much research on the gothic society they fear and have concluded that I am a goth. I know their view is wrong and that goths CAN be Christians. I didn't come out of the situation without scars, however. I, who grew up in the church, am now afraid to go to it. When I am there, I am nervous. If the pastor or somebody says something about our church being accepting or those kids or youth pasters being so loving and kind I want to run to the bathroom and cry (I have several times). I have asked my family to switch churches but they won't. I go to this church as little as possible (once a week) but I am a Christian still...I'm just hurt...

I'm asking for advice. How can I help my boyfriend? How can I help my friend? How do I make this situation better for them? I am my least priority in this, but how do I cope in this? I have nowhere else to turn to for advice. Please help me.
 

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This has gotten you in a pretty rotten situation. First off, you need to help your friend and bf realize that all christians aren't like that. 2nd... have you talked to your youth pastor one-on-one and explained what happened (i know this may not help but its worth a shot) Can you and your friends go to a different church on your own even if the rest of your family is going to this one?

I go to church out of my own free will. I went down the path of cutting too. Your friend needs love right now and lots of it from you. Especially if her family isn't showing it to her. Shes probably going to push away but try and get her to open up to you. Right now all she needs is some one close.

As for your boyfriend. Let him know that not all christians are pains like them. Not all of them act that way. I don't know what else to tell you to do for him. Try and help him stay on track with God too. I'm not sure how you should go about doing that but try too.


Now for yourself. Keep sight of God. Pray. Pray every night that those kids at the church will see that they are hurting people and that they need to just grow up. Another thing. Don't worry about weather your Goth or what not be who you wanna be no matter what people do.



I hope I was of some help...

Sarah
 
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Kids can be very mean, especially to those who don't conform to the social norms. However, I'm not sure it's a good idea to "become" a goth. I admit my knowledge of goths is basically non-existent, except I know they wear black clothes, but there's a large difference between not being completely like everyone else and seeking to stand out on purpose. I'm saying this, maybe in ignorance, based on the way goths already by their clothing seem to want to stand out from the rest. I understand you want to belong somewhere, but you can find that with God, you don't need to become a goth. If you decide that you are an outcast, you will become one. Just don't mix up the actions of the kids at church with God. What happened at church was the rebellion of youth and what seems to be a lack of discipline.

There are many who don't fit in with the majority, but going from one extreme to another won't make things easier. As for helping your friends, I think the best thing you can do is pray and be there for them and encourage them. I'm afraid I don't know how to deal with cutting, but I believe there are several on this forum who know more, and who will be able to provide useful advice.

P.S As I said, I don't know much about goths, but I do know that seeking to stand out on purpose will only bring loneliness. I'm sorry in advance if I offended any goth with this post.
 
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Have you told your parents what happened? Do you feel like you can approach the head pastor with your concerns?

There's nothing wrong with being a goth. My wife is, and many of our friends are, and they are all kind and loving people.

Are your friend or your boyfriend old enough to drive? Do you have any other churches within walking or biking distance? It would be better if you could go to a church together that did not have bad memories attached to it.

The church I go to is very accepting of people who are different. We have goths, punks, hipsters, and scene kids who attend. You shouldn't have to go somewhere where you don't feel welcome or you feel threatened. Jesus is for everyone, and he would not approve of these people scaring you or hurting you.
 
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Thank you for all your advice so far. And to answer your questions, Tashiseisei: My boyfriend is the closest to getting his liscence. I have been wrestling with approching the head pastor but when I wore my tripp pants one Sunday and he came up to me and asked "you're not getting into that goth thing, are you?" my heart sunk. I have begged my family to go back to my old chuch of my childhood. I have people there that are my friends and I know they accept unique individuals.

Once again thanks for your advice and support...
 
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I have been going to a church since I was ten. I have never really felt accepted there. I had no real friends there for two years. Finally, met up with a girl that was alone like me. We became like sisters. The other young teens and teens bullied us a lot, but no one seemed to see them or when they did they didn't do anything because it was their child, niece, nephew, etc. So a year passed and we both started into the youth group. The girl that bullied us worst was the daughter of the youth pastors. One night at our overnight cookie bake, the teens ganged up on us. Because we dressed unique they called us goths (which in their terms translates into witches, evil, etc.). Because I brought two different boyfriends to church (one I dated for 3 years and broke up with and one I'm still dating to this day) they said I was sinful. They called my friend a fat cow. They called my boyfriend, my friend, and me retards and they threw things at us. Before we could tell the youth pastors, their daughter told them everything they did to us, we did to them. We got yelled at in a corner by the youth pastors with all three of us crying.

That was about two years ago. My boyfriend who was unsaved at the time almost stopped comming to church, but he did and gave his life to the lord a month later. He is still having trouble forgiving those involved. My friend slowly stopped comming to church. She became a cutter, bisexual, and I believe is currently running from God although she wants to be near him. She still comes to church sometimes.

I have done much research on the gothic society they fear and have concluded that I am a goth. I know their view is wrong and that goths CAN be Christians. I didn't come out of the situation without scars, however. I, who grew up in the church, am now afraid to go to it. When I am there, I am nervous. If the pastor or somebody says something about our church being accepting or those kids or youth pasters being so loving and kind I want to run to the bathroom and cry (I have several times). I have asked my family to switch churches but they won't. I go to this church as little as possible (once a week) but I am a Christian still...I'm just hurt...

I'm asking for advice. How can I help my boyfriend? How can I help my friend? How do I make this situation better for them? I am my least priority in this, but how do I cope in this? I have nowhere else to turn to for advice. Please help me.
God doesn't have a problem with your Goth appearance. I don't know what kind or denomonation church you attend, but you need to realize that there are all kinds of Christians and all kinds of churches. Both have some good and some bad. My first thought is that you need to find a different church.

How to help you boyfriend and best friend. Explain that there are some Christians and some Christian churches that are bad and that they do not exhibit the true Christian spirit. And, perhaps you would like to, together with them, find a better church with a new group of friends who are more like God intended. If the three of you decide to do it together, it will give you strength. If you want advice on what church I recommend, I will help you.
 
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