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I'm wondering... from what I've read on this thread, it doesn't seem like many people think of Sleep Paralysis as just that... a medical occurence.

I dealt with sleep paralysis for about ten years. It was terrifying, yes, but I don't think I was being spiritually attacked. When someone finally told me what was happening medically, it was much less scary, and eventually I grew out of it. (A lot of times, according to the research I read, it starts going away in the late 20s). I get it now and again, but I've found no connection between sleep paralysis and my closeness with God.
 
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Mskedi said:
I'm wondering... from what I've read on this thread, it doesn't seem like many people think of Sleep Paralysis as just that... a medical occurence.

I dealt with sleep paralysis for about ten years. It was terrifying, yes, but I don't think I was being spiritually attacked. When someone finally told me what was happening medically, it was much less scary, and eventually I grew out of it. (A lot of times, according to the research I read, it starts going away in the late 20s). I get it now and again, but I've found no connection between sleep paralysis and my closeness with God.


You're right. That's why EVERY situation needs to be evaluated. Sometimes it's medical, but sometimes it's spiritual. Every situation is different and must be evaluated very carefully.
 
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well for the record... i have no doubt what happened to me was a spiritual thing because... i was definitly out of my body, my spirit was floating around, the feeling was vivid and clear just like being awake. i think it is no cooincidence that it happened on the same night that i asked god to re-enter my life and force out the demons that have been in me and in my house. because for months prior to this point i had not read the bible, and had been living a life of sexual lust... through pornography. since that night my connection with god has been the strongest that it has been since the time i was an atheist and nearly killed myself. it was at that time i first felt the holy spirit over power me and change my life, ill never forget that feeling. it was a definite turning point in my life and i havent been the same since, in a good way. though i slipped into evil ways god didnt forget about me, i prayed and he returned. i believe on that night god allowed the demons or whatever it was to take me out of my body, because since then i have not gone back to those sinful things. and no offense to the guy who keeps telling me to go to church, i had gone to church as a child up until i was 11 years old. though i went and was baptized a lutheran i never knew god or had the holy spirit. i stopped going to church since i never believed anyway and had not prayed or gone to church for years. it was later in my life on the day that i nearly killed myself that i truly had god in my life and could feel his presence guiding me. i learned everything i know about christianity through reading the bible and asking questions online... thats why i dont go to church. god came to me without church and i have always worshiped at home, i dont see why i should start now. ive been to many churches... i didnt like any of them.. i didnt learn and i felt that most of the people were there out of tradition and not to worship.
 
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Starforsaken said:
i learned everything i know about christianity through reading the bible and asking questions online... thats why i dont go to church. god came to me without church and i have always worshiped at home, i dont see why i should start now. ive been to many churches... i didnt like any of them.. i didnt learn and i felt that most of the people were there out of tradition and not to worship.

Star, I had a similar conversion when the Spirit of the Lord fell upon me. In the same way, I was raised in a church until I was 11 too and didn't know God. I knew about him, but I didn't know him. God DIDN'T mean anything to me. I had to experience God for myself. I know you mean no offense to me, but I am still concern. Praise God that you left your life of sin. Praise him for that.

I know that we can be really turned off by things that happens in a church. God did not create us to be loners. He created us to be in relationship with Him and in relationship with others. I mean if you look at the book of Acts, they lived together, they meet EVERYDAY IN THE TEMPLE.

Star, I completely agree with you about there's a lot of churches out there out of tradition and not to worship. But if you take it by faith, I believe God will lead you to a church where you can be cared for. Apart from the church, I don't know how you would fulfill God's great commission or take communion which both the Lord has commanded us to do.

It doesn't make sense for a Christian not to be in a church. It's like a newborn baby being born into a family and then saying Oh I don't like it here, so I'm leaving. What is going to happen to that baby? ... It will die. It cannot feed itself or cloth itself. Babies need interaction. Online computers will not sooth a baby. We are the same way.

I hope that you don't think I am nagging or be offensive, but I do say this with my deepest heart and concern. I have seen it so many times over and over again to what happens to people because they have left their local body of Christ. It's so sad. I don't want to see it happen to you.

I pray that our Lord Jesus Christ will bring forth that conviction in your life. May he bless you in abundance in finding that local family. May he fill you to the point of overflowing. May you experience the love of God through his people and may the Lord bless you and kept you.
 
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Another way to look at it is the simple synergy and refreshment we get when we're with other people. Ideas bounce around, people encourage each other in their goals, a hug or a couple words makes you feel human again.

That's not the reason I go to church, but it's what I notice when I think I don't need to go, and go anyway.
 
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HI Everyone,

I wanted to share something interesting that happened at work. I work as a sub assistant teacher. So today I was working one on one with one kid. The time came where he had PT (physical therapy). So the kid's PT person came and worked with him. I decided to join them cause I was interested in what they did. This session they were doing yoga.

As they were doing it, I was kind of uncomfortable because they were chanting... Chanting in yoga? I think that sounds suspectious. Sounds like a religion like Buddist or Hindus (also because they sit in that meditation form in their bodies). I started praying like crazy over these children.

Ok, the second thing that had happened that I thought was weird for a public school setting is that they turned off all the lights. I mean if you're gonna do yoga to help strengthen the kids bodies, why does light have to do w/ it right? It was begining to sound really unappropriate.

Ok. the last thing that happened, a light bulb turned on because we have been talking about this in this thread. Well towards the end of the session, the PT person wanted the kids to relax. She told them to focus on their breathing (meditation). When someone is in deep meditation, two things can happen.

1. Your mind blanks out. (this can lead to demon to enter your body because something has to be controlling your mind. If you're mind is not being controlled by your spirit and your allowing your mind to go blank you are leaving an open door for anything to come and control it.)

2. Your spirit leaves your body (astral projection)

OK, as she was talking she was saying things like, "don't think about anything, breath deeply and concentration on your breathing."

Then she moved onto the next stage, she said, "think of yourself going away. You're at the beach."

At the end, she said (this is the part that really clicked for me) "Let your spirit return to your body." It was in that instance I realized that she must have been talking about astral project.

For the longest time, There were a lot of things that didn't feel right about yoga. I couldn't explain it, but something just wasn't right. Now after today, I understand. WOW!!! How it is so closely related to the spiritual world. I had also taken an Hindu class and they taught that the Hindus use different types of yoga as a way of reaching salvation.

I know that a lot of people think that yoga is so innocent because it's just for exercise, but man, I can understand why God would not like it though.

Now here's the sad thing. Many of you know that over the years, they are taken God and christianity OUT of school. However, it's ok for them to practice Hindus religion. How obsurd is that!!!! The devil is smart man. We Christians really must take a stand.

I know this may sound like I'm just being narrow-minded or crazy, but please think about it. Take a look around you and how everything relates together. Both Hindus and Buddist are vegetarians (meats give nutrient for protein that helps w/ spiritual battle), they both meditate (yoga), they both chant (yoga), etc.... I've done a lot of reading and all of it confirms everything that I have seen happen. They all fall together.

Love you all. May you all be encouraged and grow in knowledge together in our Lord Christ Jesus.
 
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Immanuel, thanks for bringing this up. When I was younger, people were so cautious of TM and yoga... they knew about the spiritual connections. These days, everyone seems to use yoga casually for destressing and health, forgetting its history.

I had an experience just like yours when I was in high school. I knew that I might need to refuse participating, but the teacher insisted it was for gym credit and resented my "against my religion" request.

The man was late; I was relieved he might not come.

When he did arrive, I could feel dark and controlling spirits trail along with him so much, that while others wondered if he was going to show up, I could feel him outside the building. I felt him entering the building, walking through the stairwell toward the class. Everyone else jumped when he entered the door, not realizing he was there.

I don't think it's wrong to relax to that state, because it's the same brain activity level as one of our sleep stages. I think that many Christians do this in worship without realizing it. But "Let your spirit return to your body" --wow, that is so close to our conversation!

(Spirits can enter at high-anxiety times too...fear and anger and despair opening the door.)

 
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heron said:
Immanuel, thanks for bringing this up. When I was younger, people were so cautious of TM and yoga... they knew about the spiritual connections. These days, everyone seems to use yoga casually for destressing and health, forgetting its history.

I had an experience just like yours when I was in high school. I knew that I might need to refuse participating, but the teacher insisted it was for gym credit and resented my "against my religion" request.

The man was late; I was relieved he might not come.

When he did arrive, I could feel dark and controlling spirits trail along with him so much, that while others wondered if he was going to show up, I could feel him outside the building. I felt him entering the building, walking through the stairwell toward the class. Everyone else jumped when he entered the door, not realizing he was there.

I don't think it's wrong to relax to that state, because it's the same brain activity level as one of our sleep stages. I think that many Christians do this in worship without realizing it. But "Let your spirit return to your body" --wow, that is so close to our conversation!

(Spirits can enter at high-anxiety times too...fear and anger and despair opening the door.)

What does TM stand for? I'm bad w/ acronyms.

This is something that really disturbs me Heron. I mean they are taking Christianity out of the schools and the nation, but they are allowing and instilling other religions in people without asking first and it's so decieving. Man, satan is good, but as God's people we have to do something about it.

When i was in the yoga room with those kids, I felt the Holy Spirit grieving. I didn't know what to do, but to pray over the kids.

And oh my goodness. Parents who let their kids go to public school MUST know everything that the teachers are instilling and teaching their kids. It's really bad out there. satan is out on the prowl because he knows he is coming to an end.

I am begining to understand these things more and more as I am obseriving different people and their religion, their relationship with God, and how they carry on with their lives.

Oh by the way, NO OFFENSE TO anyone who is Catholic, but. I noticed something as I was taking the train. I notice that many catholics use a rosary to pray and it's like they are chanting. It reminds me so much of the Buddist and their chanting. The buddist also use beads that looks like a rosary. (well that's what a rosary is right? beads w/ a cross on it). As I began to observe every Catholic who does that I notice the expressions on their faces. Yeah, when you're on the train and have nothing else to do, you observe people. Well anyhow, as I was observing, I noticed that all the catholics who were doing their prayers with the rosary all seems so angry. They have this very serious face which makes the person look like they are about to explode. It's kind of a scary face. I hope this doesn't offend anyone. I was just observering, and that was what i had noticed.

Oh please if anyone observes anything else, please post.

Heron, have I seen you in another thread before? your name just looks familiar.
 
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Immanuel, yup, I've seen you but can't remember where.

TM--transcendental meditation, with a yogi to consult. This form is definitely an eastern religion and will claim to be. Other forms of yoga might discern between physical Hatha yoga and the deeper forms. All seem to recognize connections between body and spirit (which is recognized medically and scripturally).

The chanting...remember that chanting is part of Judaism too, so Jesus might have chanted. I think you're right, that repetition puts people into that self-hypnotic state, but the amount of harm would depend what one is saying.

I think it would be safe, as a classroom assistant, to mention that spirit-control is a religious practice, and at the very least, parents should be notified. This site might be useful in backing up a statement that yoga is a religion.
http://www.beyondthesenses.net/yoga.htm

You might also look into the US gov's list of nonprofit religious organizations, and see if some are classified that way.
 
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heron said:
Immanuel, yup, I've seen you but can't remember where.

TM--transcendental meditation, with a yogi to consult. This form is definitely an eastern religion and will claim to be. Other forms of yoga might discern between physical Hatha yoga and the deeper forms. All seem to recognize connections between body and spirit (which is recognized medically and scripturally).

The chanting...remember that chanting is part of Judaism too, so Jesus might have chanted. I think you're right, that repetition puts people into that self-hypnotic state, but the amount of harm would depend what one is saying.

I think it would be safe, as a classroom assistant, to mention that spirit-control is a religious practice, and at the very least, parents should be notified. This site might be useful in backing up a statement that yoga is a religion.
http://www.beyondthesenses.net/yoga.htm

You might also look into the US gov's list of nonprofit religious organizations, and see if some are classified that way.


Thanks Heron for the link. Yoga is definitely a eastern religion. When I took Hindu in college, they talked about how the different types of yoga can reach salvation and be one with Brahman.

It's really hard as a public school teacher though and trying to uphold the authority of Christ. I am not allowed to speak about it at all. Who can I go to change these laws? The Senate?
 
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Certainly you can write a letter to your state Representative, your state's Senator, as well as the head pastor of your church, who could also write a letter or perhaps even a petition signed by all the members of your church.
 
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Ajax 777 said:
Certainly you can write a letter to your state Representative, your state's Senator, as well as the head pastor of your church, who could also write a letter or perhaps even a petition signed by all the members of your church.
Where do you get that information from?
 
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"Be still and know that I am God:" Psalm 46:10

Imo, this verse is telling us to quieten our minds in a similar way to TM (Transcendental Meditation), but with the expectation of hearing from the Lord. TM is opening up oneself to hear from whatever source is the loudest as opposed to the still small voice mentioned in 1 Kings 19:12.
 
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"Whatever source is the loudest"...interesting take on it.

School boards and principals accept letters from concerned teachers and parents. I would start there. Small precendents impact large ones. You can start a petition, gathering signatures of concerned students and parents, and mail it to your school board. The board will probably give you a short scheduled hearing at a regular meeting.

School administrators in the US know that they need to leave religious dogma out of the classroom. This was clearly a violation. The official policy --in our state anyway-- is to allow students to practice privately, but without any adult intervention. This was clearly a teacher promoting a religion.

Students can bring in Christian CD's to play in the classroom, but a teacher cannot. The teacher can play them, but not bring up a discussion where one view is promoted exclusively (by them)... you know the rules.

If you go too far up the ladder of command, it's like tattling on your boss to the CEO. The actual incidents are under the command of the teachers and the principal.This is where things happen.

The state already has the laws in place, so they would just be acting as a watchdog...probably not getting into specifics like whether yoga is a religion or not. If our laws get too tight, then choirs can't sing "Swing Low," Handel's Messiah, or Bohemian Rhapsody.

Or were you talking about changing the laws to be able to vocalize your own faith? I would be careful with that one. There are some Christian sects and dogmas that I wouldn't want my kids exposed to. The laws really are there to protect us.

I think you should first approach the teacher, with the concern that they might have violated a law unknowingly.


 
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see that's just the tricky part. Everyone loves yoga. People don't like Christianity unless they are Christians. The parent enjoy it as well, so they will not be against their kids doing yoga.

People do not believe yoga to be a religion, but more of a type of exercise, so parents will not have a problem or a concern about it.

The person that was doing yoga with the children is not a teacher. She is a occupatonal or physcial therapist that works in the school.

That's another thing that I had thought about too. Is if I tell then, all religious thingies must go out the door. But it would also be nice that if they allow Hindu practices, then they should also allow Christian practices.

The stinky thing is that I am not a full time employee now. I am only a substitute, so i don't know when the next time will be that I go to that school.

Thank you Heron.
 
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Immanuel,
I think it's awesome that you are working in the school system. Those kids need someone to help them know the truth, pray for them & try to protect them from such ungodly practices.
Now I know that some Christian therapists use visualization with their clients, but Im a little leery of that practice. I would definetely be concerned if I felt that this therapist was encouraging TM which appears to be the case.
Little children I believe can see more & experience more from the spirit realm then adults do sometimes.
My friend who was a pastor told me that when his youngest was about 5 years old he said to his dad "can you see him dad? Did you see him there was a huge angel standing rite there & he pointed to a place there in their living room.
We really need to look out for the "babies":)
 
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