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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Our imaginary gods
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funyun
aude sapere...sed praeterea, aude esse
In general, I agree. However, I don't think we have to be slaves. Some "neopagans" are, in the strict sense, atheists, and acknowledge that the gods they create for themselves do not exist. They are simply symbols, both of ancient human traditions and of abstracts. I think this is a very healthy kind of a "religion".
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No, see you're totally wrong. I refuse to accept god because its pretty obvious that religion and god(s) are figments of man's imagination and social group think. Next.
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Hi,
If there's no objective purpose to exist, why do we want it so much? If the world has no meaning, we should not have the concept of 'meaning' at all, because we are part of the world. Yet we do. CS Lewis described it this way: if a person is hungry, this doesn't prove that he would get any food, but it does mean that he's the type of being that eats...hence, there is food somewhere in the universe.
If there is objective meaning and purpose, God makes a lot of sense.
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Even if there is at least one real God, the God's of humanity are imaginary projections of social thought, and say more about humanity than they ever will about such a God/Gods.
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You're right about that, but the human desire for meaning is universal. It's not just a preference that some people have, it's our human condition....if you look at human history, people are always looking for something. A Christian would say that they're looking in all the wrong places, trying to find their purpose and satisfaction in money, fame, power, etc, when really there's an empty place in them that only God can fill. That's the Christian perspective.
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us38
im in ur mind, disturben ur sanities
False and irrelevant. Even if everyone wanted both of those statements I said to be true, they still couldn't both be true.
Sure, but you're not suggesting they want something that exists. You're suggesting that their want implies existance.
Of course, that's ignoring everyone who sought fame and fortune for fame and fortune.
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Question- What's more insulting: an atheist telling a christian he only believes in God because he's scared of being lonely or a christian telling an atheist that he's afraid of being judged?
A. The first one
B. The second one
C. An atheist calling God a "fairy sky-father" to a christian's face
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Good one, too bad it's not an option!
Please understand us, those accusations aren't directed at atheists. Christians believe that all people are sinners, that is, we are all imperfect. And as imperfect creatures, we need God's love and grace to redeem us. Saying that all atheists are simply afraid of being punished for their shortcomings probably isn't true but neither is saying a christian make up Gods to make up for their insecurity.
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IzzyPop
I wear my sunglasses at night...
I undertand, I was just pointing out the insulting tone of the post, whether intentionally or not. I knew full well that I was doing the same and did consider changing the wording of the post, but I figured that the strong wording and emotion got my point across much better than a more inclusive post.
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There is only one God and His name is Yahweh.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He existed in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.
Joh 1:14 The Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. We gazed on his glory, the kind of glory that belongs to the Father's unique Son, full of grace and truth.
Jesus is Yahweh
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Okay?
If you're trying to point to contradictions in the bible: Yes we were created pure and in the image of God, it was Adam's choice to eat the forbidden fruit that brought sin into people's lives.
How is admitting we're sinners sad? Can you name me one person who has never done anything wrong?
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Teufelhund
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Can anybody here make a valid point? Anybody on either side? I believe that God must exist because the universe is infinite and looping, for an infinite to exist in accordance with the laws of entropy it must have had an infinite starting with infinite energy, ergo God. God cannot be plural because no characterestic that is infinite can be described by a specific quantity. So there can be only one God as it would an infinite quantity. This is a pretty bare bones arguement, but it would be very extensive for me to spend the time required to actually list the entirety of the arguement.
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Teufelhund
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Secondly any arguement where you are forced to insult the opponent's viewpoints by insulting the person of the opponent, for example calling an atheist a murderer and a thief, or calling a Christian god a fairy sky-father, is in violation of common rules of debate and is little more than a shouting match.
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