OT Feasts

[YeshuamySalvation]

Yeshua My Salvation > Ok changing the topic. Let me ask a quick question regarding Colossians 2:16...

Let's assume that the passage speaks of Torah-related festivals, eating and sabbaths - which is an assumption, but one for which there is some support at least..... Tell me which of these paraphrases you guys think most accurately reflects Paul's intended message.....


1. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to if you keep a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Yeshua My Salvation > or perhap's....


2.Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to how you keep a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


Yeshua My Salvation > The verse does not tell us which is being prohibited. Which one of these two seems more accurate.....


Yeshua My Salvation > 3. Alright and here's the third option, which there is considerable historical evidence for its plausibility...

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to when you keep a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Ok what are your thoughts on this.....

Blessings..

 

[MiamiHeat]

I do not think there is any significance for them today.

Paul apparently kept some as this was very Jewish in nature and not all traditions stopped after the cross right away.

This is one area where I think that Dr B may have it wrong.

Am a bit reluctant to be critical of him but this time he may have put his foot in his mouth.

And why is the reason you think he has it wrong? Why don't you think that maybe most Adventist have it wrong? I't seems to me that it is pretty clear form the "Greek" language and it's meanings that Doctor Samuel Bacchiocci is not mistaken and neither are the many Adventist that research and agree with his material.

 

[DanPev]

Hello, im new to this forum and would like to say a few words concerning the feasts.

I believe that we can learn a lot about the plan of salvation when we stuty the feasts, and I have no problem with individuals who wish to study and maybe even observe them.

However, when people start saying that it is necessary to keep the feasts to be saved or to go to heaven, that is when I start to strongly disagree.
Now I Know that very few people believe in ellen white in this thread, but i strongly believe that she was inspired, so I will use statements from her to prove my points.

Listen to this interesting statement from SDA Bible Commentary Vol.5 Page 1139, " [font=&quot]In this ordinance, Christ discharged His disciples from the cares and burdens of the ancient Jewish obligations in rites and ceremonies. These no longer possessed any virtue; for type was meeting antitype in Himself, the authority and foundation of all Jewish ordinances that pointed to Him as the great and only efficacious offering for the sins of the world. [/font][font=&quot]It was Christ's desire to leave to His disciples an ordinance that would do for them the very thing they needed--that would serve to disentangle them from the rites and ceremonies which they had hitherto engaged in as essential, and which the reception of the gospel made no longer of any force. To continue these rites would be an insult to Jehovah. Eating of the body, and drinking of the blood, of Christ, not merely at the sacramental service, but daily partaking of the bread of life to satisfy the soul's hunger, would be in receiving His Word and doing His will."

The ordinance it is talking about is the ordinance of humulity. What do you guys think of that?

By the way, please don't ask me anything about the greek or hebrew bible versions, Tyndale died so that I could read the Bible in my own language, I don't need to learn Hebrew.

Oh, and why don't we make our posts shorter so that they are esier to read?

Good night and God bless, Daniel
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[winslow]

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[OntheDL]

This is a reference to the laws (traditions) that were added to and not part of the law as given by God through Moses. It has nothing to do with the feasts or the associated holy days. Continue reading:


As the condition of the people began to open to His mind, He saw that the requirements of society and the requirements of God were in constant collision. Men were departing from the word of God, and exalting theories of their own invention. They were observing traditional rites that possessed no virtue. Their service was a mere round of ceremonies; the sacred truths it was designed to teach were hidden from the worshipers. He saw that in their faithless services they found no peace. They did not know the freedom of spirit that would come to them by serving God in truth. Jesus had come to teach the meaning of the worship of God, and He could not sanction the mingling of human requirements with the divine precepts. He did not attack the precepts or
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practices of the learned teachers; but when reproved for His own simple habits, He presented the word of God in justification of His conduct.

The 613 commandments are from the Torah. And Talmud expended on them. But 613 laws were bases for all their human conduct. God made these to teach men moral lessons. However by observing them to the strictest letters, the moral lessons were lost.

'Their service was a mere round of ceremonies; the sacred truths it was designed to teach were hidden from the worshipers.'

Their activities were not contrary to the word of God. But in the process of the doing them as rituals, the true meaning was lost. This is what's contrary to the precept of God.

 

[visionary]

'Their service was a mere round of ceremonies; the sacred truths it was designed to teach were hidden from the worshipers.'

She also said....

Camp=Meetings Their Object, and How to Conduct Them, page 10, paragraph 1

In the days of Christ these feasts were attended by vast multitudes of people from all lands, and had they been kept as God intended, in the spirit of true worship, the light of truth might through them have been given to all nations of the world.

If this be true for the spring type feasts, would it not also be true for the fall type feasts?

 

[visionary]

EGW does not seem to be against it...

Patriarchs and Prophets, page 540, paragraph 6
Chapter Title: The Annual Feasts
At these yearly assemblies the hearts of old and young would be encouraged in the service of God, while the association of the people from the different quarters of the land would strengthen the ties that bound them to God and to one another. Well would it be for the people of God at the present time to have a Feast of

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Tabernacles--a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to them.

Maybe the matter should be looked at again in light of this. While many of you do not know me, I came from SDA and spiritually moved on, not leaving my love for EGW or the truth. My heart is for you all and I wish not to overstep my bounds as I ask, " Could not this matter be looked at again in the light?" EGW said there will be more light coming.

 

[OntheDL]

EGW does not seem to be against it...

Patriarchs and Prophets, page 540, paragraph 6
Chapter Title: The Annual Feasts
At these yearly assemblies the hearts of old and young would be encouraged in the service of God, while the association of the people from the different quarters of the land would strengthen the ties that bound them to God and to one another. Well would it be for the people of God at the present time to have a Feast of

541
Tabernacles--a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to them.

Maybe the matter should be looked at again in light of this. While many of you do not know me, I came from SDA and spiritually moved on, not leaving my love for EGW or the truth. My heart is for you all and I wish not to overstep my bounds as I ask, " Could not this matter be looked at again in the light?" EGW said there will be more light coming.

Greetings,

I understand what you are saying and I'm not against practicing them for the joy and fellowship and for the better understanding of the plan of salvation.

I'd rather we participate more in these biblical feasts than celebrating some of pagan holidays such as Valentines Day, Easter... that I see took place in SDA churches gradually in the recent years.

My argument is the feast days do not have provision over us or we are bonded under them as it was the case in OT times.

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

Greetings,

I understand what you are saying and I'm not against practicing them for the joy and fellowship and for the better understanding of the plan of salvation.

I'd rather we participate more in these biblical feasts than celebrating some of pagan holidays such as Valentines Day, Easter... that I see took place in SDA churches gradually in the recent years.

My argument is the feast days do not have provision over us or we are bonded under them as it was the case in OT times.

So why would you assume that we are no longer bounded by the feast days when it has been repeated over and over again from the "Greek language" that they are all attributed to each other.... when you do away with one you do away with all.... why do you think so many believe the law is done away with, for nothing? The reason why they believe it is because they have a misunderstanding of what shadows are, alot of well versed "evengalicals" will tell you the samething from the orginal languages that your "escatology" on Sabbath Days in - Col 2:16 - is in error and cannot be supported by the orginal language....

The Seventh Day Sabbath is a feast day and i celebrate it as a feast day, we dance in worship, we eat we praise God openly in celebration of his marvalous work of creation..

I tell you the truth once you attend a Messianic Adventist Church or Messianic you would never want to go back to that boring life of the Traditional Seventh Day Adventist Church..

 

[OntheDL]

So why would you assume that we are no longer bounded by the feast days when it has been repeated over and over again from the "Greek language" that they are all attributed to each other.... when you do away with one you do away with all.... why do you think so many believe the law is done away with, for nothing? The reason why they believe it is because they have a misunderstanding of what shadows are, alot of well versed "evengalicals" will tell you the samething from the orginal languages that your "escatology" on Sabbath Days in - Col 2:16 - is in error and cannot be supported by the orginal language....

The Seventh Day Sabbath is a feast day and i celebrate it as a feast day, we dance in worship, we eat we praise God openly in celebration of his marvalous work of creation..

I tell you the truth once you attend a Messianic Adventist Church or Messianic you would never want to go back to that boring life of the Traditional Seventh Day Adventist Church..

You want some fig leaves?

I've seen the other side of messianics that you are refuse to see. There are so many false doctrines among them I'm sure you should at least been exposed to some of them. But hey, should I expect anything less? After all, the pride which caused Lucifer to fall still plaques the people of jewish background.

Yes, the SDA service might be boring and yes, the majority of SDA members are asleep. But His true people will never fall into apostasy nor into one of these false religious movements.

Lastly, I've quoted many verses for you. Just go back and re-read the answers I already gave you.

 

[SassySDA]

I do not think there is any significance for them today.

Paul apparently kept some as this was very Jewish in nature and not all traditions stopped after the cross right away.

This is one area where I think that Dr B may have it wrong.

Am a bit reluctant to be critical of him but this time he may have put his foot in his mouth.

If you are talking about Dr. B supposedly "backtracking" and saying that we ARE supposed to keep the feasts, I researched that on the website. That is not what he was saying at all.

Basically he was saying that it's important for us to study the feasts, to know about the feasts, what each one represented. To me, kind of like reading the old testament, and how it IS pertinent to the new testament. If you don't understand, if you have not read the old testament, the new testament isn't going to make much sense to you. In order for God's word to make the proper sense it is supposed to, it's important for us to understand all of the old testament. This is being put in a very simplistic way, but that's what I got out of that book.

I've spoken with many others who got the same thing from it. I think some read the title and went off on their own tangent from there.

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

You want some fig leaves?

I've seen the other side of messianics that you are refuse to see. There are so many false doctrines among them I'm sure you should at least been exposed to some of them. But hey, should I expect anything less? After all, the pride which caused Lucifer to fall still plaques the people of jewish background.

Yes, the SDA service might be boring and yes, the majority of SDA members are asleep. But His true people will never fall into apostasy nor into one of these false religious movements.

Lastly, I've quoted many verses for you. Just go back and re-read the answers I already gave you.

I will let you back track and give those supposed answer you say you've given me.. I have read all of your posts and you have not given any answeres to anything ive posted... What you are trying to say is that we should ignor lenguistics and believe what your saying is true just because it is true...i don't buy that, you have to come up with a stronger argument because so far you've got none... I'm sorry, but it's not as simple as you saying it and it becoming true or begging the question OntheDL .

My point is that it has gone completely over your head, because you refuse to address the scripture I posted with any logical argument. The truth is plain to see. I presented a point backed up by scripture and a logical explanation. You keep sidestepping it.

Here are the meaning of the words that you have refused/and or ignor to respond to with any logical argument.....

Strong's Col. 2:16-18 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Yeshua My Salvation> "sabbath," as used in Col 2:16;

sabbaton, Greek 4521, Strong’s
sabbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin [Hebrew 7676 (shabbath)]; the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications :- sabbath (day), week.




Well i'm going to repeat this guys take a look at the Greek Lexicon for yourselves....

Yeshua My Salvation> Holydays are the yearly Sabbaths which means festivals, the Greek word is translated as feast or festival in every other verse where it is used. Most translations actually translate it as festival in that verse:

http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/gr...mber=1859&l=en

The new moon is the monthly Sabbaths.


http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/gr...mber=4521&l=en

Yeshua My Salvation> Then we have the Sabbath. This is the weekly Sabbath. When we see this Greek word being used in other verses in scripture it refers to the weekly Sabbath always not once does it refer to yearly Sabbaths as most Adventist claim, and if it did Paul would have been needlessly repeating himself by saying yearly Sabbaths, new moons, and yearly Sabbaths.

Yeshua My Salvation> I have offered an explanation backed up with scripture, definition and a logical progression and the best you can come up with is that it's not true because it's not true. No argument has been presented why I should just believe someone's unscripturally supported, ilogical opinion on a message board, over a respected scholars researched definition in a widely accepted authoritative book on the original languages. I will repeat that scriptures have been presented and the meanings of the word have been discussed. You have to come up with more than a personal opinion repeated over and over, just to keep me from getting bored on you.

 

[OntheDL]

I will let you back track and give those supposed answer you say you've given me.. I have read all of your posts and you have not given any answeres to anything ive posted... What you are trying to say is that we should ignor lenguistics and believe what your saying is true just because it is true...i don't buy that, you have to come up with a stronger argument because so far you've got none... I'm sorry, but it's not as simple as you saying it and it becoming true or begging the question OntheDL .

My point is that it has gone completely over your head, because you refuse to address the scripture I posted with any logical argument. The truth is plain to see. I presented a point backed up by scripture and a logical explanation. You keep sidestepping it.

Here are the meaning of the words that you have refused/and or ignor to respond to with any logical argument.....

Strong's Col. 2:16-18 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Yeshua My Salvation> "sabbath," as used in Col 2:16;

sabbaton, Greek 4521, Strong’s
sabbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin [Hebrew 7676 (shabbath)]; the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications :- sabbath (day), week.




Well i'm going to repeat this guys take a look at the Greek Lexicon for yourselves....

Yeshua My Salvation> Holydays are the yearly Sabbaths which means festivals, the Greek word is translated as feast or festival in every other verse where it is used. Most translations actually translate it as festival in that verse:

http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/gr...mber=1859&l=en

The new moon is the monthly Sabbaths.


http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/gr...mber=4521&l=en

Yeshua My Salvation> Then we have the Sabbath. This is the weekly Sabbath. When we see this Greek word being used in other verses in scripture it refers to the weekly Sabbath always not once does it refer to yearly Sabbaths as most Adventist claim, and if it did Paul would have been needlessly repeating himself by saying yearly Sabbaths, new moons, and yearly Sabbaths.

Yeshua My Salvation> I have offered an explanation backed up with scripture, definition and a logical progression and the best you can come up with is that it's not true because it's not true. No argument has been presented why I should just believe someone's unscripturally supported, ilogical opinion on a message board, over a respected scholars researched definition in a widely accepted authoritative book on the original languages. I will repeat that scriptures have been presented and the meanings of the word have been discussed. You have to come up with more than a personal opinion repeated over and over, just to keep me from getting bored on you.

Well if you feel my arguements do not convince you then just agree to disagree. And please restrain the tone so it does not become personal.

 

[Goya]

wow.. this is really deep stuff :X

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

wow.. this is really deep stuff :X

Certainly so, the fact that you have to keep repeating over and over the same words and give the same definition from the "Greek language" and on top of that people still attempt to accuse you and/or blunder, either way - (unsucessfully) of false doctrine when they themselves can't even explain the arguments you posed from scripture, what do you think of that pretty deep Ehh?

 

[visionary]

Greetings,

I understand what you are saying and I'm not against practicing them for the joy and fellowship and for the better understanding of the plan of salvation.

I'd rather we participate more in these biblical feasts than celebrating some of pagan holidays such as Valentines Day, Easter... that I see took place in SDA churches gradually in the recent years.

My argument is the feast days do not have provision over us or we are bonded under them as it was the case in OT times.

I agree. What I have found by participation is a blessing hidden within.

I was inspired by these words..

Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, June 3, 1890, paragraph 2
Article Title: The Darkness Comprehended It Not
The question has been asked me, "Do you think that the Lord has any more light for us as a people?" I answer that he has light that is new to us, and yet it is precious old light that is to shine forth from the word of truth. We have only the glimmerings of the rays of the light that is yet to come to us. We are not making the most of the light which the Lord has already given us, and thus we fail to receive the increased light; we do not walk in light already shed upon us.

Then came the study of the Word of God and prayer for more light.

The General Conference Bulletin, April 1, 1898, paragraph 19
Article Title: Educational Work
"God's holy, educating Spirit is in his word. A light, a new and precious light, shines forth upon every page. Truth is there revealed, and words and sentences are made bright and appropriate for the occasion, as the voice of God speaking to them.

What is happening within as you watch more and more secular, pagan, and ecumenical movements within, is the very things that caused me to turn towards God and prayer.

Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, November 23, 1905, paragraph 22
Article Title: Individual Consecration Needed
The gospel commission is never to lose its force on the minds of the people of God. Into the darkness of sin the light of truth is to shine, that the darkness may be expelled. Those who reflect light will receive more light to reflect. New power will be brought into the church.

I am not saying that the MJ movement is the end all by all, for it is full of what ever has polluted the other streams that have entered it. It is not a frozen movement as yet so the Holy Spirit can work within. God is not concerned with a name as much as He is concerned about the direction the movement is heading. We are all children of God seeking to follow Him. No organization can save us, as our salvation is in the Lord's hands. It is our job to follow Him and Him alone. We are to walk in the light, we are not to reject light when we receive it, even if it is not sanctioned by religious leaders. History has shown us time and time again, that religious leaders have a political agenda which stops them from walking in the truth.

What is Jesus saying here?

John 7:2-39 But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, Yeshua' brothers said to Him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that Your disciples may see the miracles You do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since You are doing these things, show Yourself to the world." For even His own brothers did not believe in Him. Therefore Yeshua told them, "The right time for Me has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8 You go to the Feast. I am not yet going up to this Feast, because for Me the right time has not yet come." 9 Having said this, He stayed in Galilee.

Is He talking about fulfilling the fall feast at another coming?

 

[visionary]

You want some fig leaves?

I've seen the other side of messianics that you are refuse to see. There are so many false doctrines among them I'm sure you should at least been exposed to some of them. But hey, should I expect anything less? After all, the pride which caused Lucifer to fall still plaques the people of jewish background.

Yes, the SDA service might be boring and yes, the majority of SDA members are asleep. But His true people will never fall into apostasy nor into one of these false religious movements.

Lastly, I've quoted many verses for you. Just go back and re-read the answers I already gave you.

Defending any man made organization is foolishness, for then your focus of what or who is right is off kilter. There is only one thing to defend and that is the Word of God and our faith in God. Do not take "our faith" to be "doctrines of the Church" but the living breathing relationship you have with God. That one on one relationship you have, or should have. That will truly set you free to live and walk with God. Let no man open the door and say "God is here and you must come in to be saved" for salvation can not and will not be found within the boundaries of any church organization.

Letter W-186 Dec 2, 1902. To Edson and Willie White, p 4-5 ..I have but very little confidence that th4e Lord is giving these men in positions of responsibility, spiritual eyesight and heavenly discernment. I am thrown into perplexity over their course, and I desire now to attend to my special work. To have no part in any of their counsils, and to attend no camp meetings, nigh nor afar off. My mind shall not be dragged into confusion by the tendency they manifest to work directly contrary to the light that God has given me. I am done. I will preserve my God given intellegence. My voice has been heard in the different conferences, and at campmeetings, I must now make a change... I shall therefore, leave them to receive the word from the Bible.

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

Defending any man made organization is foolishness, for then your focus of what or who is right is off kilter. There is only one thing to defend and that is the Word of God and our faith in God. Do not take "our faith" to be "doctrines of the Church" but the living breathing relationship you have with God. That one on one relationship you have, or should have. That will truly set you free to live and walk with God. Let no man open the door and say "God is here and you must come in to be saved" for salvation can not and will not be found within the boundaries of any church organization.

Amen my brother, and i'll take it even further, "Salvation" cannot be found in the boundaries of any man made organization but only and exclusively in Yeshua. People that make statements as those don't really know the slightest bit about the meaning of Reedemtion/Salvation and grace!!! They see themselves as belonging to the one true church when the bible clearly tells us that those who accept Yeshua as there Lord and personal Saviour are "Saved" regardless if they are Pentecoastals, Baptist, Angilicans, Lutherance, Calvanist, Fundamentalist, Adventist and the list goes on, as believers in the Messiah we are all part of the body... And lastely statements of that nature are made by people that are in cults....

Usually the person thats in a cult will tell you that Christ is coming exclusively for them and the ones that belong to his or her organization... This is cult like mentality has been promoted by S.D.A.S - for years... It is one of the biggest reason why i left the traditional S.D.A church and now attend a Messianc S.D.A Church...There has been a huge revival among S.D.A.S lately, many are becoming less traditional and less legalistic in there way of thinking... And many are more Yeshua centered in there belifes....

I met an awsome Adventist pastor just a few months ago, what a man of G-d he is, he is so "Yeshua" centered rather Ellen White centered, i felt like i was listening to a Baptist preacher... I even had a talk with him after service and told him you said this this and that not going to say what he said, but i asked that is not what Seventh Day Adventist teach, and guess what he told me..... He told me he knew but he was doing a tremendous effort to get rid of the legalism that plagues most Adventist Churches today.. Alot of people have moved from the traditional Adventist belife and they remain Seventh Day Adventist as myself and many others.

 

[OntheDL]

Amen my brother, and i'll take it even further, "Salvation" cannot be found in the boundaries of any man made organization but only and exclusively in Yeshua. People that make statements as those don't really know the slightest bit about the meaning of Reedemtion/Salvation and grace!!! They see themselves as belonging to the one true church when the bible clearly tells us that those who accept Yeshua as there Lord and personal Saviour are "Saved" regardless if they are Pentecoastals, Baptist, Angilicans, Lutherance, Calvanist, Fundamentalist, Adventist and the list goes on, as believers in the Messiah we are all part of the body... And lastely statements of that nature are made by people that are in cults....

Usually the person thats in a cult will tell you that Christ is coming exclusively for them and the ones that belong to his or her organization... This is cult like mentality has been promoted by S.D.A.S - for years... It is one of the biggest reason why i left the traditional S.D.A church and now attend a Messianc S.D.A Church...There has been a huge revival among S.D.A.S lately, many are becoming less traditional and less legalistic in there way of thinking... And many are more Yeshua centered in there belifes....

I met an awsome Adventist pastor just a few months ago, what a man of G-d he is, he is so "Yeshua" centered rather Ellen White centered, i felt like i was listening to a Baptist preacher... I even had a talk with him after service and told him you said this this and that not going to say what he said, but i asked that is not what Seventh Day Adventist teach, and guess what he told me..... He told me he knew but he was doing a tremendous effort to get rid of the legalism that plagues most Adventist Churches today.. Alot of people have moved from the traditional Adventist belife and they remain Seventh Day Adventist as myself and many others.

You got it backward, there is whole-lot more legalism among the messianics than in SDA churches. Evident even in your post when you refer to the name of God as it is influenced by the Sacred Name sect among the messianics.

I don't know your experience in SDA church. But it seems it needs some healing.

Neith we nor Ellen White ever taught only members in SDA churches can be saved. We say we are a church with the right message.

"God has children, many of them, in the Protestant churches, and a large number in the Catholic churches, who are more true to obey the light and to do to the very best of their knowledge than a large number among Sabbathkeeping Adventists who do not walk in the light." Ellen White, Selected Message {3SM p386}.

We (the individual believers) have no control over what the GC leaders are doing. Satan tries very hard to lead God's people away from His principles. What are you going to do? Form another group when problems appear in your congregation? When Israel backslid and went into apostasy, didn't God continually chastise them to try to revive them?

The groups that seperated from the church are invariably still plagued by their own problems: rivalry, control, sheep stealing, power splits, new and strange doctrines.


The God did not place you and me here merely to slavishly obey church leaders, nor did He assign us the task of forsaking fellow believers.

Instead, He expects us to obey His Word implicitly, and to work for all those about us—including true and backslidden believers.

Adventism is an endtime message. I have no loyalty to an organization but to the remnants. There are some that might try to change it. But the message will not be altered. We (believers) are supposed to be the bearer of light and stand fast rather than to be tossed around and carried about by every winds of doctrine.

 

[OntheDL]

Certainly so, the fact that you have to keep repeating over and over the same words and give the same definition from the "Greek language" and on top of that people still attempt to accuse you and/or blunder, either way - (unsucessfully) of false doctrine when they themselves can't even explain the arguments you posed from scripture, what do you think of that pretty deep Ehh?

This attitude is exactly why you can not understand what was answered to your arguments.