OT Covenants For All

[EastCoastRemnant]

In another thread some time ago, there was discussed the idea that the Israelites were to spread the message and covenants given them to all the nations, which of course they didn't do. In that thread, it was asked for the scripture to back that premise up... consider the words of Solomon.

1Kings 8:41
Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name's sake;

(For they shall hear of thy great name, and of thy strong hand, and of thy stretched out arm) when he shall come and pray toward this house;

Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

Here is Jesus speaking to the Jews about their responsiblity..

Matt 5:13-15
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Yes, the above verse speaks to us as well, as does the whole Bible, but it was spoken first to the Jews about their role they failed to fulfill.

 

[Cribstyl]

In another thread some time ago, there was discussed the idea that the Israelites were to spread the message and covenants given them to all the nations, which of course they didn't do. In that thread, it was asked for the scripture to back that premise up... consider the words of Solomon.

1Kings 8:41
Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name's sake;

(For they shall hear of thy great name, and of thy strong hand, and of thy stretched out arm) when he shall come and pray toward this house;

Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

Here is Jesus speaking to the Jews about their responsiblity..

Matt 5:13-15
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Yes, the above verse speaks to us as well, as does the whole Bible, but it was spoken first to the Jews about their role they failed to fulfill.

Please help us to understand what this has to do with any of the covenants that God made in the bible?

If anything, that OT scripture teach; Solomon is asking God to answer the prayers of the strangers who come to worship at this temple.

If anything that NT scripture teach; Jesus was talkings to the multitude who believed in His words.

Tell us why your comments and the scriptures you're using tells a different story?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If the Israelites were to convert the nations around them through their Godly living, then that would mean that all nations were to come to the understanding and be under the same requirements of God's Law as the Israelites were. The covenant given to them at Sinai was to be for all people.. the fact that there were quite a number of non Israelites among them attests to this.

Yes I know there is still the contention that you and others beleive that the new covenant was different than the old. I am saying that this new covenant (becasue of the old being breached by the Jews) was a better, more clarifed covenant. Not a different one but one that spelled out God's principles in way to be better understood.

Consider these verses...

Jer 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This passage in Jeremiah also shows the principle of us (gentiles) becoming Israel, or as we say it today, spiritual Israel because God speaks to us through the Holy Spirit today.

 

[OntheDL]

Hebrews 8 & 10 tell us the new covenant is better because of a better promise: God's promise to write his law on their minds and in their hearts so they can obey naturally vs the OT's man's promise to obey.

Wisdom tells us if God never intended for the Jews to evangelize the world, He would have led them to a desert island from Egypt. But instead, He placed them in the land of Palestine, the intersection of 3 continents.

 

[tall73]

In another thread some time ago, there was discussed the idea that the Israelites were to spread the message and covenants given them to all the nations, which of course they didn't do. In that thread, it was asked for the scripture to back that premise up... consider the words of Solomon.

1Kings 8:41
Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name's sake;

(For they shall hear of thy great name, and of thy strong hand, and of thy stretched out arm) when he shall come and pray toward this house;

Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

Here is Jesus speaking to the Jews about their responsiblity..

Matt 5:13-15
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Yes, the above verse speaks to us as well, as does the whole Bible, but it was spoken first to the Jews about their role they failed to fulfill.

Here you go:


Deu 4:5 See, I have taught you statutes and rules, as the LORD my God commanded me, that you should do them in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
Deu 4:6 Keep them and do them, for that will be your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples, who, when they hear all these statutes, will say, 'Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.'
Deu 4:7 For what great nation is there that has a god so near to it as the LORD our God is to us, whenever we call upon him?
Deu 4:8 And what great nation is there, that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I set before you today?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Here you go:


Deu 4:5 See, I have taught you statutes and rules, as the LORD my God commanded me, that you should do them in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
Deu 4:6 Keep them and do them, for that will be your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples, who, when they hear all these statutes, will say, 'Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.'
Deu 4:7 For what great nation is there that has a god so near to it as the LORD our God is to us, whenever we call upon him?
Deu 4:8 And what great nation is there, that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I set before you today?

Thanx Tall...