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Y'all is plural, always.LOL
In every other language there is a singular you and a plural you.
..We should have another word.
How's about Y'ALL?!
I wouldn't think there's any one sin that could cause one to lose salvation. If over a long period of time someone keeps neglecting God, not fellowshipping with him and not even having a clue of his will or seeking to know it yes one who was once saved could possibly lose it.Questions to the OP:
What sins are serious enough to cause a loss of salvation?
If one of those salvation nullifying sins is committed and salvation lost, can salvation ever be re-obtained?
LOL
In the rules it says not to use "you".
What are we supposed to use???
In every other language there is a singular you and a plural you.
tu
voi
usted
vosotros
English:
you
you !!
Yeah. We should have another word.
How's about Y'ALL?!
I'm bumping this because it really should be read by all who are thinking of becoming calvinist believers, or joining a reformed church. Basically, it's saying that God can give a tiny amount of grace to some, just enough to make them THINK they're saved, but really they are not. Like a tease!:
It was originally posted by @Mark_Sam
from Calvin's Institutes (Book III, Chapter II, Section 11):
I am aware it seems unaccountable to some how faith is attributed to the reprobate, seeing that it is declared by Paul to be one of the fruits of election; and yet the difficulty is easily solved. [...]
But in this there is nothing to prevent an inferior operation of the Spirit from taking its course in the reprobate. Meanwhile, believers are taught to examine themselves carefully and humbly, lest carnal security creep in and take the place of assurance of faith. We may add, that the reprobate never have any other than a confused sense of grace, laying hold of the shadow rather than the substance, because the Spirit properly seals the forgiveness of sins in the elect only, applying it by special faith to their use.
Still it is correctly said, that the reprobate believe God to be propitious to them, inasmuch as they accept the gift of reconciliation, though confusedly and without due discernment; not that they are partakers of the same faith or regeneration with the children of God; but because, under a covering of hypocrisy, they seem to have a principle of faith in common with them. Nor do I even deny that God illumines their minds to this extent, that they recognize his grace; but that conviction he distinguishes from the peculiar testimony which he gives to his elect in this respect, that the reprobate never attain to the full result or to fruition. [...]
Thus we dispose of the objection, that if God truly displays his grace, it must endure for ever. There is nothing inconsistent in this with the fact of his enlightening some with a present sense of grace, which afterwards proves evanescent.
Which in a sense renders the whole "assurance of salvation"
thing moot, at least in John Calvin's theology. How do you know that you're not just a reprobate victim to evanescent grace? Granted, I've never heard Calvinist preachers preach on evanescent grace, but it is still the legacy of Calvin.
That thought likely comes from the fact that OSAS aka Perseverance of the Saints (PoS) and Eternal Security has it origins in Calvin.One should not simply assume that all those who are “OSAS” or who believe in “eternal security” are Calvinist or thinking of becoming Calvinist.
Ultimately, we should follow no man or woman, only God.
That thought likely comes from the fact that OSAS aka Perseverance of the Saints (PoS) and Eternal Security has it origins in Calvin.
There's some reference to quotes from Saint Augustine if Hippo that allude to the principle but it's not anything Augustine would have taught.
So you may not be Reformed nor Calvinist but on this, you'd be accepting his precept on PoS.
Calvin referred to the doctrine as Perseverance of the Saints. I could be wrong but I think it was the Baptists that afterwards coined the term OSAS (wiki article on the topic).Perhaps it came to be referred to as “OSAS” with Calvin..
I see you have again missed the point. Oh well.
Who exactly was Jesus speaking to in Matthew 19:16-26 and what was the point He was making?
I never said Jesus failed. You have missed the point of those questions.
No one is “making it to heaven” on their own merit, works, obedience to the Law, or “righteousness.”
And Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Anyone who says that we need to add our works to be saved or stay saved is really saying that what Christ did was not enough.
People need to understand that.
“Not believing anymore”? No. They never believed. Those who believe are not “cut off”, they are saved and secure. (Sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.)
Nope. It’s about those Jews who never believed (rejected their Messiah) being “cut off” and how if they came to believe, they would be “grafted back in.”
It’s all about faith and not even a little bit about works or behaving well enough to merit salvation. (Which is impossible).
The same chapter 11 of Romans verse 26 says thus:
and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
So who is cut off if all Israel will be saved?
LOL
In the rules it says not to use "you".
What are we supposed to use???
In every other language there is a singular you and a plural you.
tu
voi
usted
vosotros
English:
you
you !!
Yeah. We should have another word.
How's about Y'ALL?!
I wouldn't think there's any one sin that could cause one to lose salvation. If over a long period of time someone keeps neglecting God, not fellowshipping with him and not even having a clue of his will or seeking to know it yes one who was once saved could possibly lose it.
I've talked in the post above about your concept of nullifying sins but can Salvation be re-obtained?
Read the story of the Prodigal Son. Luke 15 He was a Son, and a member of the family but came back to the Father, and the Father received him gladly.
Calvin referred to the doctrine as Perseverance of the Saints. I could be wrong but I think it was the Baptists that afterwards coined the term OSAS (wiki article on the topic).
ASIDE, I am Eastern Orthodox now but I grew up in the Independent Baptist and later Southern Baptists traditions. So I'm very familiar with the teaching. Charles Stanley's book 'Eternal Security' is stil lin my library.
How were they the natural branches if they never believed? Did not the root support them?
Grafted BACK IN? Really? Think about that for a while.
Are you trying to merit salvation by your believing? Sure sounds like it to me.
Was His chosen people, Israel not saved? How did He not spare them?
They were “cut off” because of “unbelief.”
Now I’m sure you understand that those verses speak about the nation of Israel. Read Paul’s hope regarding them.
Do you understand what Grace is? No one has “merited” salvation. That’s the point.
I snipped your quote there for two reasons; first, I have no desire to wade into the Calvin vs Arminius debate. I see both views as two sides of the same errant coin. You may differ.I actually have no idea specifically where it came from..
I can't see the link !You can say you and y'all like the water tower a few miles from my house.
I agree with the above.I snipped your quote there for two reasons; first, I have no desire to wade into the Calvin vs Arminius debate. I see both views as two sides of the same errant coin. You may differ.
However, it was trying to reconcile those views that was one (of many) steps that directed me toward Orthodoxy and why I tend to read all of the threads on the topic.
Second reason I snipped, and in fact this was originally in the previous post but I deleted before posting. If this thread shows anything it is that there is plenty of scriptural support for OSAS as well as the opposing view. Both views are scriptural. For that matter, lots of erroneous teachings cab be gleaned from the pages of scripture standing by itself.
I think it's important to not only know the scriptural foundation of a teaching but the context from which it came as well as the history of where and when it came from. Again, you may differ.
My desire is not to debate the merits/challenges of either view.
I do find the centuries old, ongoing debate on this issue fascinating. I think it's resolved when two things are realized; one, they're both wrong and two that's because of the doctrinal development that took place in the west, moreso by those who used Augustine's words than Augustine himself.. but going back to the snipped quote; it requires research where the teaching came from.
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