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It means "being-ologically".I think I have asked this question already, but did not get a response. What do you mean by "ONTOLOGICALLY". Because I want to understand it, not caricature it. Have I caricature anything so far? And if you do not want to explain it, please be courtesy and say you do not too. Instead of bashing me, can we do that?
Paul is talking about works like circumcision and eating kosher. James isn't.And this is suppose to be clear enough that people in the EOC, understand it? Because I am confused with this post. I have too many questions to ask. For the record Paul & James are not at odds in relation to works.
No, you definately can experience fiery tormentSo then one can believe that no will die or go to hell, correct? If they believe this.
Who is or was in the Patristic consensus?
Well if you are using this philosophy, then it must apply to all, correct? God created Lucifer/Satan, so is he then essentially good? A serial killer or child molester is then essentially good? That I am sorry does not make any sense. We do what we are. So people who are evil do evil acts. And vice versa.
Explain the Fall and how Satan is the prince? And if people cannot do good without God. What do they do without God?
What you explain "ENERGIES"? And how does this not sound like Gnostic teaching? A special revelation by experiencing energies?
It means "being-ologically".
Paul is talking about works like circumcision and eating kosher. James isn't.
No, you definately can experience fiery torment
Yes, Satan, serial killers and child molesters are all essentially good, but operationally evil. If your essence deterined yours, the fall would man have been essentially evil from the start.
You can do NOTHING without God permitting it.
Satan is father and lord of sin, which is death; once death reigned, he became prince.
"Energies" is the theological term for activity or operation.
If you really want to understand what Eastern Orthodoxy is really all about, why not pose a question in TAW? There are sub forums for a)asking a question or b)debating with the orthodox. You will get more answers there and some of them may explain things in a different way that you will find easier to understand. But, obviously only if you are interested in what the beliefs sctually are and how they have been come by.I think I have asked this question already, but did not get a response. What do you mean by "ONTOLOGICALLY". Because I want to understand it, not caricature it. Have I caricature anything so far? And if you do not want to explain it, please be courtesy and say you do not too. Instead of bashing me, can we do that?
It's a problem when two people try to talk to each other and each of them is understanding something different by the same word. But, if each understand what each other means by those words it makes it a lot easier to appreciate their views, even if you don't agree with them.And that's the problem.
EO is definitely not vague! If you are really interested try looking for the answers to your questions on-line. EO has a clear theology - just pretty different to Western theology in a lot of areas. Any seeming vagueness I think comes from accepting that there are some things that no-one can fully understand or explain in this life - mysteries. Google salvation, original sin, essence, energies with Eastern Orthodoxy and you will get explanations of what is believed.Why EOC is so vague about their religion makes me run for my life.
Actually, I have been thinking more about your question and I do have more thoughts on it. In fact I think I could write an essay on it! Don't have time right now, but may come back to it this evening.Quite true. I sometimes wonder why that is. When I was young the Episcopal Church in the Unites States was a bastion of propriety and dignity. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?
If you really want to understand what Eastern Orthodoxy is really all about, why not pose a question in TAW? There are sub forums for a)asking a question or b)debating with the orthodox. You will get more answers there and some of them may explain things in a different way that you will find easier to understand. But, obviously only if you are interested in what the beliefs sctually are and how they have been come by.
It's a problem when two people try to talk to each other and each of them is understanding something different by the same word. But, if each understand what each other means by those words it makes it a lot easier to appreciate their views, even if you don't agree with them.
EO is definitely not vague! If you are really interested try looking for the answers to your questions on-line. EO has a clear theology - just pretty different to Western theology in a lot of areas. Any seeming vagueness I think comes from accepting that there are some things that no-one can fully understand or explain in this life - mysteries. Google salvation, original sin, essence, energies with Eastern Orthodoxy and you will get explanations of what is believed.
TAW is The Ancient Way - the EO forum that you can find in Congregation, Christian Communities. They have a couple of sub-forums - St Justin Martyr's for debating with the Orthodox and St Basil the Great's Hall for asking questions.Thanks for the comments. Help me navigate to TAW?
Here ya go > St. Basil the Great's HallThanks for the comments. Help me navigate to TAW?
Let me see if I can help. You've been given the words and definitions. Let me try a poor stab at an illustration.Why EOC is so vague about their religion makes me run for my life.
TAW is The Ancient Way - the EO forum that you can find in Congregation, Christian Communities. They have a couple of sub-forums - St Justin Martyr's for debating with the Orthodox and St Basil the Great's Hall for asking questions.
Here ya go > St. Basil the Great's Hall
Let me see if I can help. You've been given the words and definitions. Let me try a poor stab at an illustration.
On a cold winter day you blow air/breathe on your hands to warm them. In contrast, same day, same environment, when given a hot beverage you do the same thing to cool it. Is the breath the same or different? is the result the same or different? The breath is ontologically the same but the operation, the energy or the working is different. Why, its the same air but it works differently depending on the situation.
An encounter with the Almighty God to a child of God can be warm and inviting. To a sinner, the same encounter would be a consuming fire. God didn't change.
My grandfather was a five-point Calvinist pastor and head of a Baptist Association for years. My parents raised me in the more Arminian belief of the Independent Baptist Church. Most of my adult life was spent in Southern Baptist Churches with a somewhat blended base. I did spend two years in the same Sunday School class as Al Mohler. I understand your confusion, especially since you said you are convinced in Calvinism. Once a mind is made up, everything must fit into that construct. I understand. Calvinism NEVER made sense to me without closing one eye and squinting real hard with the other. "whosoever will" was enough to throw doubt on it in my POV.
I will check it out, if people are friendly and courtesy.As others have done, I too would invite you to our forum where it can be discussed more fully with more participation. The link is in the previous post.
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