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Orthodox forbidden to pray with non-Orthodox?

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Monica child of God 1

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We (Orthodox) can lead prayer with non-Orthodox with no problem. Non-Orthodox leading prayer is something to be avoided, but not because we don't love them. Prayer contains expressions of belief. You never know when non-Orthodox prayer is going to take a turn into something heretical. At my last (and hopefully final) visit to my husband's church, the pastor prayed that 1) the gospel with be preached to Catholics in South America and 2) that Orthodox Christians "who may be trusting in something other than Jesus" would be saved. I was livid!!! And yes, the pastor did see me in the pew!

There are real differences in theology in other Christian communions and we should not appear to give assent to them. Now on the other hand, we must love our non-Orthodox family and friends. Not going to services occasionally with our families can cause strife. So we can receive economia to preserve family unity. This time of brief counsel and blessing from our priest gives them a chance to check our spiritual health. If someone is drifting from the Faith or entertaining the claims of other communions, the priest gets a chance to provide instruction and clarification. This is for our own spiritual health, not to condemn others outside of the Orthodox Faith.

M.

PS: Oh and at that visit to my husband's church, the guest preacher disparaged intercessions to the Mother of God. I forgot about that last bit :mad:
 
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When eating at my grandma's house, before eating they usually pray and I will cross my self and pray with them. They use a common prayer that Catholics use before eating that is similar to an Orthodox prayer. I think it's ok if it's just a common meal prayer with Catholics because they all cross themselves in the Catholic style and I'll just do it the Orthodox way. I won't join in praying with Protestants though. If I'm in another room for a second I will cross myself and say a quick prayer and just keep quit when they pray. I'm usually not around Protestants anyway so I really don't have to deal with it.
 
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Can't you just pray the Orthodox-OK bit?

What am I supposed to do when going to my family's church? Isn't a Protestant church Sunday better than no church? What if a friend wants me to pray with them? "Oh, sorry, you are a filthy heretic, I cannot pray with you." ?
 
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Can't you just pray the Orthodox-OK bit?

Well, the prayer that everyone in my family uses is the same prayer as one of the Orthodox meal time prayers.

What am I supposed to do when going to my family's church? Isn't a Protestant church Sunday better than no church?

I don't really know how to answer this one. I was told if I ever go to a non-Orthodox church, I should only go as an observer and not to pray, but your in a different position so I'll leave this one for someone else to answer.

What if a friend wants me to pray with them? "Oh, sorry, you are a filthy heretic, I cannot pray with you." ?

What do you mean exactly by this? If you mean during meal time, you should just sit quietly and respectfully and don't disrespect or hurt anyone.
 
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Is this real? Can Orthodox not pray with non-Orthodox Christians unless the priest grants the individual to do so, called economia??

Is this true?!?! :confused:


I sure hope not! But it reminds my of the time when I read that old calender Orthodox weren't allowed to share meals withs unbelievers.
 
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Can't you just pray the Orthodox-OK bit?

You should ask your SF about what you should do. That is what I did. That is the point of asking for a blessing. Our priests help us to apply Orthodox doctrine to our own lives.

What am I supposed to do when going to my family's church? Isn't a Protestant church Sunday better than no church? What if a friend wants me to pray with them? "Oh, sorry, you are a filthy heretic, I cannot pray with you." ?

Come on Justin. Does that even sound like a loving thing to say? No you should not say such a thing. When I am in a situation where a non-Orthodox says they want to pray I let them. I listen very closely to their prayer. After I hear what is on their heart and mind, I lift what I can to God in my own prayer silently. There is an evening prayer that has a line about not "embittering or embarassing" others. There is no need to be rude or harsh.

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I sure hope not! But it reminds my of the time when I read that old calender Orthodox weren't allowed to share meals withs unbelievers.

Those are Old Calanderists. They are schismatic and broken off from the Church all together. They are different than the canonical Orthodox Churches that are on the old calender such as the Russian Orthodox Church.
 
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In all things, be charitable.

That is easier said than done especially when the family home is crawling with those nasty hairy ticks :) and fleas and you do not have any effective repellent. So, I was covered with bites on my legs, which disturbed my sleep.

Family life can be very stressful, especially when the non-orthodox members feel that they must convert the sole Orthodox member.

When I was visiting my mom just after my dad died, my younger brother got the notion in his head that since he was the oldest man in the house, he now had the right to preach and lead all the prayers before all the meals.

Of course, preaching, reading the bible, and praying could take 30 minutes or more, and since he cooked the food and it was sitting on the table while he preached, the food would become cold. And of course, all the pregnant passages to condemn those who believe in works must be quoted, which he did with a big smile on his face, because he has just finished a bottle of spiked coke which serves to loosen his tongue. And if anyone would dare to complain, he then quotes from St. Paul that a little wine is good for the stomach and that we are not to judge one another because all of his sins are now covered in His blood because he has been saved and will go straight to heaven when he dies.

Therefore, I told my mom I was not feeling well as I had come down with a cold, and I did not want to spread my cold. So I waited about 45 minutes to insure that the preacher had finished, and then came in and got a plate of food and left after thanking the cook for the good food and wishing all bon appétit.

Oh, I did not mention that the night I arrived, he holed me in a corner while the other members silently called it a night. Then he spent a good two hours trying to convert me to his born-again once-saved-always-saved Jesus-saves independent bible church, which was not affiliated with any major denomination and thus could claim to have apostolic succession somehow.

At the funeral, I had to endure 30 minutes of my brother's rambling under the influence (RUI) sermon which followed the preacher's 10 minute homily and eulogy. Thankfully, I found a NKJV in the pew and started reading it in earnest, which did preserve my sanity. My brother seemed pleased at my devotion to the Bible.

I have learned since that a well-placed cough and a quick grab of bottled water provides an excellent escape from a packed church when the preacher starts attacking Catholicism or Orthodoxy or starts releasing those nasty biting hairy ticks. ;)

And a breath of fresh air is great for clearing one's mind.

Since my son has married an Orthodox Christian, I cannot tell you how blessed it is to be with my new extended family. I deeply love them and they have become my true family now.
 
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I sure hope not! But it reminds my of the time when I read that old calender Orthodox weren't allowed to share meals withs unbelievers.

a strict reading of Scripture says the same thing really. and i think the Didache says something to the same effect i think.
 
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I pray with non-Orthodox whenever the opportunity/need arises. Comes with being surrounded by better Christians than me.
Just hope you've taken in what Monica has been saying, Rowan. Because there are dangers, both in heretical teaching and attitudes that we can absorb, consciously or not, and in the (even apparent) assent to those teachings (our witness to others).

Of course, our interaction with these better Christians needs to be in love. They may be better as far as spiritual state goes, but they are not right about a most important thing - the Church.
 
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The canons of the church does indeed forbid prayer with the heterodox. Orthodoxy is against any expression that may lead the heterodox (and Orthodox alike) into thinking we are the same, that it does not matter what faith you belong to so no need to convert, syncretism, or that we believe heterodox theology or prayers as being correct.
 
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Can't you just pray the Orthodox-OK bit?

What am I supposed to do when going to my family's church? Isn't a Protestant church Sunday better than no church? What if a friend wants me to pray with them? "Oh, sorry, you are a filthy heretic, I cannot pray with you." ?
The best advice I can give is talk to your SF, don't commune, and if they start saying anything that makes you feel uncomfortable or just sounds wrong, start doing the Jesus Prayer.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me the sinner.
 
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Just hope you've taken in what Monica has been saying, Rowan. Because there are dangers, both in heretical teaching and attitudes that we can absorb, consciously or not, and in the (even apparent) assent to those teachings (our witness to others).

I've ran into something similar to this with my bad habit of nodding agreement whenever someone is telling me something. I've caught myself "agreeing" with some things that I most certainly didn't agree with. I can see praying with someone who holds heretical beliefs being quite similar.

I do what my priest said he does. I just stand quietly and when they are done I say "Lord have mercy." to myself.
 
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Wow, so it is true?

Do Catholics believe this, too??
Some of these canons which forbid the praying with heterodox were formulated at ecumenical councils. Today the RC does not enforce them, only the schismatic SSPX still strictly observe them.
 
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