I assume from that because you do not practice infant baptism, that you do not believe in original sin? is this correct?
(I am new to Christianity, so I am just asking)
(I am new to Christianity, so I am just asking)
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Original Sin?
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mesue
Love all, trust a few. Do wrong to none.
Assume nothing. 
I don't believe in infant baptism because:
1) I don't believe baptism washes away sin.
2) Only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away my sin.
and
3) I believe that, until the age of accountability, children that die are in Heaven.
I don't believe in infant baptism because:
1) I don't believe baptism washes away sin.
2) Only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away my sin.
and
3) I believe that, until the age of accountability, children that die are in Heaven.
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mesue said:Assume nothing.
I don't believe in infant baptism because:
1) I don't believe baptism washes away sin.
2) Only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away my sin.
and
3) I believe that, until the age of accountability, children that die are in Heaven.
well, see, I believe that too! I think that is why Churches that have infant baptism, also have confirmation ceremonies etc...?
but I also believe in original sin and the depravity of man...
I am confused...
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rebel_conservative said:well, see, I believe that too! I think that is why Churches that have infant baptism, also have confirmation ceremonies etc...?
but I also believe in original sin and the depravity of man...
I am confused...
Now I'm confused!! You agree with Mesue that baptism cannot wash away sins, and then you say that's the reason for infant baptism, confirmation, etc. etc.
I'm not trying to bait you into an argument either. But all those things that Mesue said, that's what most of us believe.
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novcncy said:
I don't know what I believe enough to have an argument
what about baptism as a rite of passage, welcoming the child into the faith? just as symbolism, not as washing away sins?
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rebel_conservative said:I don't know what I believe enough to have an argument
what about baptism as a rite of passage, welcoming the child into the faith? just as symbolism, not as washing away sins?
There are other ceremonies for that, such as a baby dedication, or an introduction and welcome ceremony for the new baby.
Baptism is something that should be reserved for those persons who acknowledge that they are sinners in need of salvation, who believe that Christ is that savior, that confess their faith in Christ and who determine to let Christ be Lord of their lives. No baby can do any of that.
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mesue
Love all, trust a few. Do wrong to none.
This is what I believe about original sin:
It was through Adam that sin enetered the world. We're all sinners and all sin separates us form God. With God there are no venial or mortal sins, all sins separate us from God. All sin is venial (forgivable) through Christ's shed blood.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:15 B ... For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Works are your "good" deeds done on earth. Without Jesus Christ as your personal Savior (accepting Him as the only attonement for sin) you cannot go to Heaven when you die.
You can be the nicest, most giving and loving person on the face of this planet. You can keep all the commandments, or laws (there are more than 10, I think there are 613) If it were that easy then why did Jesus have to go to the Cross of Calvary? If you don't have Jesus, you have nothing.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It was through Adam that sin enetered the world. We're all sinners and all sin separates us form God. With God there are no venial or mortal sins, all sins separate us from God. All sin is venial (forgivable) through Christ's shed blood.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:15 B ... For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Works are your "good" deeds done on earth. Without Jesus Christ as your personal Savior (accepting Him as the only attonement for sin) you cannot go to Heaven when you die.
You can be the nicest, most giving and loving person on the face of this planet. You can keep all the commandments, or laws (there are more than 10, I think there are 613) If it were that easy then why did Jesus have to go to the Cross of Calvary? If you don't have Jesus, you have nothing.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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alextg55
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Imust say that i totally agree with lambslove on this one here.
lambslove said:There are other ceremonies for that, such as a baby dedication, or an introduction and welcome ceremony for the new baby.
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rebel_conservative said:I don't know what I believe enough to have an argument
what about baptism as a rite of passage, welcoming the child into the faith? just as symbolism, not as washing away sins?
Okay
I just didn't want you to think I was being trite.So basically, you're asking about a baptism which has more meaning to the parents and adults, that for the child? I don't know that there would be anything wrong with THAT if it was possible, but it's the symbolism that's already associated with infant baptism that does make it a problem. For instance, because of the traditions of the RC and some Protestant churches, there will ALWAYS be someone who believes that the child is being baptized for original sin.
Also, you can't really welcome a child into the faith, because that child hasn't made up his/her mind yet. You can pray for it, dedicate it to God, teach it, show it all the right things, but in the end, that child has the option to believe whatever it wants to. So, although in many ways true baptism IS a welcome to the faith (as a tradition, not doctrinally!) it wouldn't serve that function to someone who isn't a believer yet. Make sense?
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I've had this discussion a few times with my fiance, regarding infant baptism & original sin. We both believe in 'original sin' however her church practices infant baptism and mine does not. Her church believes that infant baptism is purely the New Testaments symbol of Abraham's covenenat with God, my church doesn't agree with this...
So while we both agree with 'original sin', and we both agree that infant baptsim does not save a child, we do disagree on the act of baptising an infant...
V. Confusing... As are most differences between denominations...
So while we both agree with 'original sin', and we both agree that infant baptsim does not save a child, we do disagree on the act of baptising an infant...
V. Confusing... As are most differences between denominations...
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