Origin of the Egyptian Obelisk

[reddogs]

I've known about this for several years, but I found something online that could offer my knowledge with greater detail...​

Obelisks and Egypt Inside the Brotherhood ​

By Martin Short​

History​

The earliest Obelisks were known as ‘benben’ stones. They were rough hewn and truncated, but they were tipped off by the pyramid ion shape which distinguishes obelisks from other monumental columns.

The spirit of the sun god was supposed to enter the stones at certain periods, and on these occasions human sacrifices were offered to it. The victims were probably prisoners of war who had been captured alive, and foreigners, and when these failed the priests must have drawn upon the native population. At On, king after king erected benbens in Re’s honour, so that by 1300BC the city was full of obelisks. The Roman author Pliny wrote about this city of On where kings ‘entered into a kind of rivalry in forming elongated blocks of stone, known as obelisks, and consecrated them to the divinity of the Sun’.

In 'Our Phallic Heritage' we are told that 'All pillars or columns originally had a phallic significance, and were therefore considered sacred. Pan, the goat god and god of sensuality, was often represented as an obelisk. A former witch writes 'The obelisk is a long pointed four sided shaft, the uppermost portion of which forms a pyramid. The word 'obelisk' literally means 'Baal's shaft' or Baal's organ of reproduction' (Page 341 Masonic and occult symbols illustrated. Dr. Cathy Burns)

To understand why the obelisk is so important to masons one has to understand the Masonic version of Egyptian mythology behind their rituals.

Osiris was a king of Egypt who married his sister Isis. His brother ‘Set’ wished to usurp the throne and so plotted his death. He tricked Osiris into climbing into a golden chest. As soon as he was inside, Set nailed down the lid and flung the chest into the Nile. It was carried off to Byblos in Syria where it came to rest against a small Tamarisk tree or Acasia tree, with the dead Osiris still inside. Isis found out what Set had done to Osiris, so she set off to find her husband.

A vision led her to Byblos, where she recovered his body and took it back to Egypt. Alas! Set stole it and tore it into fourteen pieces, which he scattered throughout Egypt to prevent Osiris coming to life again. Isis recovered all but one of the pieces - the penis - and gave Osiris a fit burial. Their son, Horus, avenged him by slaying Set.
Another son, Anubis, resurrected Osiris with the ‘lion grip’

Having triumphed over the grave, Osiris now reigns as king and judge of the so called dead. The piece of Osiris that Isis never recovered was the penis, which Set had thrown into the Nile where it was eaten by fish. Ever resourceful, Isis manufactured an artificial organ around which the Egyptians established a cult or festival.
From this it is a small step to the conclusion that the benben or obelisk was itself a phallic symbol. Whether of osiris , Re or fertility in general, it was a symbol of fatherhood ‘The rock that begot’
To Freemasons groping for mystic enlightenment in the 1800’s the obelisk was the only architectural symbol of Osiris still in existence. And if, as some Masonic historians claim, Hiram Abiff is really Osiris reborn there could be no greater proof of Masonic ascendancy in the modern world than Egyptian Obelisks thrust by masons into the heart of the West’s great cities. These would also symbolise Boaz and Jachim, the twin pillars which masons claim were built in front of Solomon’s temple, in imitation of two obelisks at the entrance of Egyptian temples.

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[TheOmegaMan19]

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Glad to see that post added to someone's knowledge

And thanks for the link. Are you reddogs there too?

 

[reddogs]

Glad to see that post added to someone's knowledge

And thanks for the link. Are you reddogs there too?

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[ricker]

Isn't there an obelisk at Mrs. White's grave sight?

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2009/204/39602243_124848126947.jpg

 

[AndrewK788]

Isn't there an obelisk at Mrs. White's grave sight?

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2009/204/39602243_124848126947.jpg

I've always heard this too. Of course, what it means is an endless debate I suppose. It's not like Mrs. White--being dead--would've known the difference.

P.S. Ricker, how are you? It's been years since I've been on CF. Glad to still see you around!

 

[ricker]

I've always heard this too. Of course, what it means is an endless debate I suppose. It's not like Mrs. White--being dead--would've known the difference.

P.S. Ricker, how are you? It's been years since I've been on CF. Glad to still see you around!

Was the oblisk covertly brought to the grave sight without any permission? I don't know the circumstances, just wonder about the aversion many SDA's have to them, and the obvious placing of one at her resting place. I personally think oblisks are a non-issue, and we should be worrying about reaching the lost with the Gospel.

Good to see you are alive and kicking, Andrew! I remember our conversations well and have wondered from time to time how you were doing.
I still like to keep Adventism as an option for my life, but I'm still active in a local church of a different faith tradition. Kids have finished school and moved away and my wife still doesn't go to church.

 

[AndrewK788]

Was the oblisk covertly brought to the grave sight without any permission? I don't know the circumstances, just wonder about the aversion many SDA's have to them, and the obvious placing of one at her resting place. I personally think oblisks are a non-issue, and we should be worrying about reaching the lost with the Gospel.

Good to see you are alive and kicking, Andrew! I remember our conversations well and have wondered from time to time how you were doing.
I still like to keep Adventism as an option for my life, but I'm still active in a local church of a different faith tradition. Kids have finished school and moved away and my wife still doesn't go to church.

Well, I know where the obelisk originated. Indeed, it is a pagan symbol and so forth, but unlike many others who also campaign against Easter and Christmas, I believe the MOST important thing is for people to come to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ--so in that we are in agreement!

As for myself, I recently graduated college with my bachelors degree and just started graduate school working on my masters in professional counseling. I also am now married. God has blessed me in many ways. Good or bad, I just try to praise Him. I hope things are going well for you!

 

[TheOmegaMan19]

Well, I know where the obelisk originated. Indeed, it is a pagan symbol and so forth, but unlike many others who also campaign against Easter and Christmas, I believe the MOST important thing is for people to come to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ--so in that we are in agreement!

True. But a part of that relationship involves casting away those things that are contrary to God. We shouldn't be on a witch hunt for paganism, but if we know what is right, then I believe we should act on that and abstain from Christmas, Easter, etc.

Symbols and stuff like that are virtually everywhere. Even the "Fruit of the Loom" logo is pagan. State Farm (trinity), (Coptic) Shell gasoline, etc... We can't avoid these things. But we can control whether we observe holidays.

 

[AndrewK788]

True. But a part of that relationship involves casting away those things that are contrary to God. We shouldn't be on a witch hunt for paganism, but if we know what is right, then I believe we should act on that and abstain from Christmas, Easter, etc.

Symbols and stuff like that are virtually everywhere. Even the "Fruit of the Loom" logo is pagan. State Farm (trinity), (Coptic) Shell gasoline, etc... We can't avoid these things. But we can control whether we observe holidays.

I don't disagree with you really. Like you said, we shouldn't be on a witch hunt for paganism. I personally don't celebrate Easter or Christmas. Christmas at my house is essentially Thanksgiving round 2--there is no pretense about it being Christ's birth or anything.

But there is a such thing as taking this pagan aversion too far. For example, I know of a man who refuses to ever buy or even ride in a Mazda car because of the Zoroastrian deity Ahura Mazda. I think it goes without saying that that is absolutely ridiculous.

I also agree we should be casting away these things that might draw us away from Christ. However, my original statement meant that our primary focus in reaching the unreached should not emphasize paganism, rather it should emphasize Christ our righteousness. If Christ and His gospel is properly preached, these secondary items, with time, will begin to be shed away as they should be. Some people like to use paganism, Illuminati, and Freemason/Jesuit conspiracy tactics as ice breakers to get people into the Adventist church. Not saying these things aren't legitimate concerns, but if they are taking a frontline priority in reaching new souls, then I would put them at fault and an overall detriment to the everlasting gospel. In Revelation 14 the everlasting gospel comes first and is followed by the declaration that Babylon is fallen...not the other way around.

 

[TheOmegaMan19]

I don't disagree with you really. Like you said, we shouldn't be on a witch hunt for paganism. I personally don't celebrate Easter or Christmas. Christmas at my house is essentially Thanksgiving round 2--there is no pretense about it being Christ's birth or anything.

But there is a such thing as taking this pagan aversion too far. For example, I know of a man who refuses to ever buy or even ride in a Mazda car because of the Zoroastrian deity Ahura Mazda. I think it goes without saying that that is absolutely ridiculous.

I also agree we should be casting away these things that might draw us away from Christ. However, my original statement meant that our primary focus in reaching the unreached should not emphasize paganism, rather it should emphasize Christ our righteousness. If Christ and His gospel is properly preached, these secondary items, with time, will begin to be shed away as they should be. Some people like to use paganism, Illuminati, and Freemason/Jesuit conspiracy tactics as ice breakers to get people into the Adventist church. Not saying these things aren't legitimate concerns, but if they are taking a frontline priority in reaching new souls, then I would put them at fault and an overall detriment to the everlasting gospel. In Revelation 14 the everlasting gospel comes first and is followed by the declaration that Babylon is fallen...not the other way around.

Well said. And I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say in your post. That person you know will never find Christ's peace that way, let alone ever drive a car again (Ford = was a Mason, Chevy logo = Egyptian winged eagle, Chrysler - pentagram/gon and winged eagle w/ all seeing eye in the center, Dodge Ram head = uterus w. ovaries at the horns/fertility cult)...never ends lol.


I recall when I became an SDA after being a Catholic for 26 years; the Illuminati and symbolism is what originally motivated me to dig deeper and actually "bump" into the 1844 message. But at first, I was making myself crazy with logos and such. I spent way too much time looking for what was wrong instead of nourishing myself with what was right (Bible). And I paid for it. Doing that really hindered my walk because it was so imbalanced.

I mean, should we understand what's going on and know the "who's who in the zoo" in this world? Sure. But I regret dwelling on it so much.

Happy Sabbath.

 

[stinsonmarri]

I read all the comments and want to provide the truth. The question asked was the sun obelisk at DC did it represent a phallus? The answer is yes it does. According to the pagan myth Isis could not find the penis of Osiris and made one. So the worshipers of Osiris made this monument for worship. The sun obelisk is not only Egyptian but all ancient people made them to worship their concept of the mother is the earth and the phallus come out of the ground. This all started with Nimrod even the wedding band that is worn on the finger has that same meaning. That's why nuns wear the golden bands on their finger claiming to be married to Jesus their pagan deity.

I also know I will be boo for this but the cross is pagan as well. It too goes back to Nimrod and folks the SAVIOR did not die on a cross. You can fuss and hiss all you want it was a piece of wood. The Bible uses the Greek word "xylon" which means timber, implying a stick, club or tree or other wooden article or substance not a cross or "crux." This word was also use in reference to those who attack YAHSHUA with clubs. Matt 26:47, 55; Mark 14:43, 48; Luke 22:52 Paul quoted from the law of Moses that the bodies of executed criminals be fastened to a tree or stake as a warning and which meant that they were cursed by YAHWEH Gal. 3:13; Deut. 21:22, 23. The decrees of Cyrus stated in the Bible, that anyone refusing to obey, “ let a timber be pulled from his house, and let him be impaled, hanged on it.” In the Greek Septuagint Version the word for timber is again "xylon." Again, not the word for a cross but a simple straight beam. Ezra 6:11.

From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt and Syria; it was held in equal honor by the Buddhists of the East; and what is still more extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among the objects of worship in the idol temples of Anáhuac. It is also remarkable that, with the commencement of our era, the pagans were wont to make the sign of the cross upon the forehead in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries. Dr. Killen, Ancient Church

The cross has received a worship similar, if not equal, to that of Christ; this sacred wood is adored almost equally with God himself. Catholic writer: Didron; Dictionary of the Bible, Hastings, Vol. 3. p. 328

The famous Protestant minister, Dr. Hislop, in his book The Two Babylons, also tells of the pagan origin of the cross and questions that Messiah died on one. A known SDA a writer Roy Allan who wrote Unfolding Daniel and Unfolding Revelation this books are found in our book stores. However, not his book on Satan Unmasked that he wrote. This books quotes a lot from Dr. Hislop and he brings out the truth concerning the origin of the cross.

Some argue that Messiah died on a cross because early Christians used the letter “X” as a symbol for Messiah. However, the “X” used in this manner does not at all refer to the tree on which Messiah died. Rather, it stands for the name “Christ,” it being the first (Greek) letter of the name “Christ,” written “X” and pronounced “ch” or “K.” Thus “X” is an abbreviation, not a symbol. By HENRY DANA WARD, M.A., The History of the Cross

Why I provided this is very serious to show without a doubt how the world including SDA's are wrapped up in Catholicism. I want it to be in writing I am not putting down the good and spiritual minded Catholics around the world. I am speaking only against their doctrine and how it became the stout horn of Daniel Seven. It took and united the false religions together under one umbrella that ELOHIM had separated due the first emperor of the world Nimrod. Even EGW stated this:

Had this confederacy been permitted, a mighty power would have borne sway to banish righteousness--and with it peace, happiness, and security--from the earth. For the Divine Statutes, which are "Holy and Just and Good" (Romans 7:12), men were endeavoring to substitute laws to suit the purpose of their own selfish and cruel hearts. PP p. 123

Now the world is global and a mighty power led by the Catholic leadership and he is about to turn on his teacher and keeper. He rises to hate the very one who has been riding him to destroy her the harlot and become "the son of perdition." To understand is that the sun obelisk and the pagan cross both goes hand and hand. I ask who is on YAHWEH side, who will not be afraid to stand in these last days inspire those who will persecute them and say all manner of evil claiming themselves to be the Last day Church with the message?

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[David Conklin]

2 Kings 10:26 They brought out the pillars or obelisks of the house of Baal and burned them.

Which substandard translation did that come from?

The Hebrew word "matstsebah" means pillar, mastaba or stump.

 

[TheOmegaMan19]

I also know I will be boo for this but the cross is pagan as well. It too goes back to Nimrod and folks the SAVIOR did not die on a cross. You can fuss and hiss all you want it was a piece of wood.

Nah...no booing. A simple history lesson will easily show that the symbol of the cross predates Christ. And it's a symbol that belongs to Babylon, not Jesus. And I may get booed here, but I never understood why the cross has been adopted as a Christian symbol. It was a torture device used by the Romans. Let's say Jesus died in an electric chair...how morbid would that be for people to wear that as a necklace in His honor?

But to touch upon the other part of your statement, the artists' depictions of the cross looking perfectly symmetrical and sanded-down is fiction. Your description of the cross may very well be accurate.

 

[AndrewK788]

I absolutely agree about the cross originally being a pagan symbol. One of my graduate papers was actually on the parallels between Judaism and Zoroastrianism in the Near East. It is amazing how much influence Zoroastrianism had on early Christianity, and even possibly Judaism.

 

[TheOmegaMan19]

After reading stinsonmarri's post again, it got me thinking.. Is it POSSIBLE that the symbol of the cross has inadvertently been worshipped by some?

Aside from that thought, I'd like to add to my previous post by saying that the cross is the means by which Christ died, but it had no power to raise Him from the grave. It's odd when you really stop and ponder some things that are often overlooked.

 

[E.T.Elijah]

I am not meaning to sound flippant about it, but what does it really matter whether we believe it was a cross or an X or a piece of wood. It was the person who hung from it that should get our attention. We need to follow Him. He is no longer on it, nor is He buried in a tomb. The only significance of this "tree" is that according to the mosaic writings is that anyone who was hung on a tree to die was to be cursed of God (Deut. 21:22-23). The actual punishment for what they accused Jesus of, namely blasphemy, was stoning. And there were other times prior to this that they sought to stone Him. But the Jewish leaders, wanting to be rid of Him once and for all, knew that if He was crucified (hung on a tree) it would mean He had to be cursed of God. That is why they sought out the Romans to execute Him rather than do it themselves. And Galatians 3:13 tells us that He did became a curse for us. My point being, whather it was a "t" shaped piece of wood or an "X" shaped piece of wood, or an actual tree, is not the important part. It is what was taking place when He was hanging from it. He was reconciling us back to God. Anyways, sorry for the rant.

 

[stinsonmarri]

The question comes down to truth. Truth is important and the symbol X Tav all do represent Zoroastrianism. The whole Christ goes back to Persia and Egypt. Christ comes from the word to rub with oil. I want you all to truly understand the prophecy of both Daniel and Revelation. Daniel saw the last three dominant religion which was Babylon. This Babylon was Neo-Babylon of the Chaldeans. However, these people took what the Nimrod's Babylonian priests already had and formed a school of false science with it. The Chaldeans called themselves the highest or the Master of astrology. ELOHIM taught the constellation, Satan the Zodiac, ELOHIM astronomy, Satan astrology. The heathen nations all studied the stars and Neo Babylon incorporated into their worship. Persia and Zoroastrianism took the symbols of the birth of the SAVIOR and gave it a false name and title. The name Mithras, the title christ or christo this all derive from the Chi Rho. Then Greece and the Greek gods especially Zeus which where the jesus comes from. It is not Hebrew and HE was never called by that name. It was after the death of the Apostles that these false name took place by the Greece. Both the Roman and Greece worship mysterious religions. Greece Egypt and the Romans Persia.

YAHWEH showed the last three and not Rome folks it copied from the Persians. The fourth beast were the ten German nations. The Catholic Papacy incorporated Babylon, Persia, Greece religions together. However, ELOHIM gave to John the completed picture in Rev 17 if you would just pray for wisdom. The harlot is the Papacy without her political power she is a church. However, she still have unusual powers, she is a part of the UN and she has embassies around the world except in Israel. I'm only speaking of Judeao-Christians not Islam. She want Israel but that's another story. The seven mountain is not Italy people that too easy and Satan loves to trick us. You must have wisdom this is constantly repeated in Revelation. The seven nations or pagan religious empires are Babylon both the original and the Neo, Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. Greece Hellenized the world even today and this was done through Rome. But Papal Rome incorporated all of the pagan religions under one umbrella. All religions of the world all of them can be traced back to Babylon of Nimrod. He is six-sinful man, the Papacy is six-sinful man, and soon the final man the beast is six-sinful man that will be taken along with his homey the false prophet and placed in the Lake of Fire. This is the same fire that came down at the burnt altar of the Tabernacle in the wilderness, destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, lapped us the stone, water, wood, and sacrifice of Elijah. The great city is the city where our SAVIOR was killed the Bible said and is the one that killed the prophets. The Vatican city never killed any prophets, Jerusalem did and the only place I know that there was a HOLY PLACE where YAHWEH reside at the Mercy Seat was in Jerusalem. So when we see the "abomination of desolation stand in the HOLY PLACE you better flee if you live in Jerusalem! It is already become Babylon a "habitation of devils, and all kind of "wicked birds."

So if you don't think that it does not matter about what YAHSHUA died on? I say think again it would not be so important to the Catholic doctrine. Have any of you been to Jerusalem, I have I lived the Catholic and the so call Christian religions have taken over! It is so commercial and all about money that it is a shame. I advised people you need to read Gen 9:27 because we do understand that these prophecies and what is happen and who is really there goes back to Noah and Nimrod

Cursed be a man that hangeth on the tree the Bible said-get wisdom, get understand, call on the HOLY SPIRIT to lead and guide into truth![/font]

Thanks for the positive comments and that we can discuss without name calling but providing each ones points of view.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[ricker]

Nah...no booing. A simple history lesson will easily show that the symbol of the cross predates Christ. And it's a symbol that belongs to Babylon, not Jesus. And I may get booed here, but I never understood why the cross has been adopted as a Christian symbol. It was a torture device used by the Romans. Let's say Jesus died in an electric chair...how morbid would that be for people to wear that as a necklace in His honor?

But to touch upon the other part of your statement, the artists' depictions of the cross looking perfectly symmetrical and sanded-down is fiction. Your description of the cross may very well be accurate.

Are you serious in saying you don't understand why Christians use the cross as a symbol? I guess you would have to start by asking the Apostles when you see them in heaven.

Gal 6:
12 Those who want to impress people by means of the flesh are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.

Eph 6 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

Phill 3: 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.

Col 2: 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

There are more....

 

[David Conklin]

Isn't there an obelisk at Mrs. White's grave sight?

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2009/204/39602243_124848126947.jpg

There were also obelisks over the gravesites of American Indians. Didn't mean a thing.

See, for example, Tuccamirgan (?-1750) Chief of Delaware Native Americans (Chief Tuccamirgan ( - 1750) - Find A Grave Memorial) and Uncas (Uncas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Some have oimplied that in EGW's case it meant that she was a Mason--which would be quite a trick since they didn't admit women till the late 60's or so (bad memory). Was Tuccamirgan a Mason too?

If their reasoning is that simplistic and flawed why should you trust their say-so on anything?

 

[David Conklin]

>And I may get booed here, but I never understood why the cross has been adopted as a Christian symbol. It was a torture device used by the Romans.

You answered your own question. To use an analogy, John Wesley adopted the term "Methodists" as an identifier of who they were, from the critics who claimed that they "followed the methods of Christ."