Organized effort to rid the forum of us Progs

[AndrewK788]

I am encouraging all the Progs to take part in the WIKI discussion he has started and call him on his nonsense:

http://christianforums.com/t6104106&page=34&nw_show=comments

Maybe if enough protest is levied against him we can finally get rid of his constant Prog hate-mongering and harrassment from the forum.

So do the rest of the progs want a separate forum? Since it's apparent we can't coexist, why can't they make 2 distinct forums for trads and progs? Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

 

[tall73]

If what tall is saying is true, then we have a right to make them remove the SDA title from their forum, since by claiming to be separate from us in this way they are making it clear that they a not SDA.

http://christianforums.com/showpost....0&postcount=18

We should take action immediately to have their forum removed from our section and have them no longer be permitted to refer to their separate congregation as an SDA forum.

I say that at this point we ought to make up a Creed to identify who is and who isn't an SDA. Those that do not fit the description of what is described in that Creed can not refer to themselves as SDA. This includes subforums that do not agree with such a Creed.

Wrong again.

They are card-carrying Adventists. But they have their own sub-forum at CF for the progressive viewpoint.

 

[NightEternal]

This is so bloody ridiculous.

Needless to say, the agreement is off. I could care less, as there are some things that just need to be said.

I can now expect a flood of reports from him over the next few days.

 

[NightEternal]

So do the rest of the progs want a separate forum? Since it's apparent we can't coexist, why can't they make 2 distinct forums for trads and progs? Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

I have always maintained that a split is the only sane answer, from day one.

Perhaps it is time for it to go to another poll. I suspect the voting results will be vastly different this time around.

 

[NightEternal]

Oh really? And how many times have I left this forum? ONCE. Compared to....oh...twelve times!

So, please, stay out of here (like I should have to ask this of someone who supposedly HATES this area so much!) Your poorly veiled insinuations and charges against me are neither wanted nor required. Unless you are prepared to back up your lies with some evidence, keep them to yourself.

 

[StormyOne]

So do the rest of the progs want a separate forum? Since it's apparent we can't coexist, why can't they make 2 distinct forums for trads and progs? Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

a brief history review... the ONLY reason there is a traditional section and a progressive section is because there were some here who said that certain members (me for one) were NOT true adventists. They did not like the questions asked, the threads started. In fact the accusation was made that I (and some others) were only bashing the church, had nothing good to say and must be miserable people.

Eventually enough complaints were made so that the forum was split into the traditional sub-forum and reformed sda sub-forum. I objected to the reformed designation because there is a group called Reformed SDAs. Eventually it was changed to Progressive.....

Let me be clear, those now called progressive did not initiate a split... it came from those who were determined to say who was and was not a true adventist.....

A split would not be needed IF some of those who call themselves traditional would not get bent out of shape when people don't agree with them on every point.....

 

[AndrewK788]

some could say this about others as well.

There's two sides to every story.

I definitely think we need a forum split. That would solve a lot and lay down some definite boundaries so that abuse hopefully wouldn't be an issue anymore.

 

[NightEternal]

Hey Andrew, here is some history for you. We tried to vote for a split about 6 months ago:

http://christianforums.com/t5795273-should-the-sda-forum-be-split.html

The results for the offical vote were 10 for a split 21 against a split:

Yes, split the two into separate forums: happywiththelord, honorthesabbath, Mankin, NightEternal, RileyLovesJesus, SassySDA, SpeakNow, Sunrunner, thecountrydoc, TrustAndObey

10 32.26%

No, leave them in one area but have stricter rules to prevent personal attacks: awesumtenor, DanPev, djconklin, DrStupid_Ben, Endium, icedragon101, Jon0388g, MichaelTheeArchAngel, mjona3, moicherie, mva1985, OntheDL, RC_NewProtestants, reddogs, Sophia7, StormyOne, tall73, Telaquapacky, ttreg, woobadooba, xristos.anesti

21 67.74%

More threads on the split crisis:

http://christianforums.com/t5980040-forum-split.html

Yes: Dizahab, djconklin, happywiththelord, honorthesabbath, icedragon101, Jon0388g, Mankin, Moriah_Conquering_Wind, NightEternal, Olikamay, RileyLovesJesus, SassySDA, SpeakNow, TrustAndObey, Untamed Fire, woobadooba

16 51.61%

No: DarylFawcett, DrStupid_Ben, HowardDean, IntoTheCrimsonSky, mjona3, mva1985, OntheDL, RC_NewProtestants, reddogs, Sophia7, StormyOne, sumofox, tall73, Telaquapacky, Windmill

15 48.39%

Voters: 31.

http://christianforums.com/t5976795-split-the-forum-already.html

 

[StormyOne]

There's two sides to every story.

I definitely think we need a forum split. That would solve a lot and lay down some definite boundaries so that abuse hopefully wouldn't be an issue anymore.

there are boundaries, but they are ignored.... the progressives don't visit the traditional section to argue fuss and fight, yet some traditionals come to the progressive area to "set us straight" as it were... you have no idea how many times we have been told we are not true adventists, we are going to hell, we are in apostasy, etc..... that gets old......

 

[NightEternal]

http://christianforums.com/f395-suggest-new-forums.html

It's time guys. WAY past time.

 

[NightEternal]

The way I see it, there can only be two factions, and only two:

1.) Those who believe the church has not 'arrived' and does not have a corner on all of the truth. That there is more to learn and explore in the area of doctrine. That issues concerning the 28 and EGW should not be set in stone and that there should be new understandings, alterations, omissions and outright deletions if necessary.

In short, those who believe that our doctrinal belief system is hardly 'airtight', and that there are problem areas that need to be addressed.

This would be the; "Houston, we have a problem here!" segment.

2.) Those who dogmatically claim that issues concerning the 28 and EGW are indeed airtight, and that there is not one thing wrong with any of our beliefs. Those who believe the church has arrived and that nothing new should ever be at the expense of the 'old landmarks' or 'the pillars'.

This would be the; "What problems? No problems here folks! We're doin' just fine!" segment.

These two factions have never got on very well, even before the days of 1888. We are not about to change that fact or hundreds of years of SDA church history on this 'lil ole forum.

 

[Mankin]

They probably think we're like THIS character.


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[happywiththelord]

Oh really? And how many times have I left this forum? ONCE. Compared to....oh...twelve times!

So, please, stay out of here (like I should have to ask this of someone who supposedly HATES this area so much!) Your poorly veiled insinuations and charges against me are neither wanted nor required. Unless you are prepared to back up your lies with some evidence, keep them to yourself.

just curious, was this aimed at me?

 

[happywiththelord]

sorry night,

i just read down further and saw where you responded to me. so please excuse/forgive the last post i made!

 

[tall73]

Since Woob has since recalled that all guidelines and processes apply there is really no sense in collecting people from the churches since by the Adventist rules they couldn't vote.

 

[NightEternal]

would you be applying for the job of prophet? I have it on good word that ummm there is a errrr, ummmm church that needs one as their prophet passed away in 1915.... I think they are getting desperate cause the average member in the pew is becoming suspicious of all these new books coming out with the prophet's name as the author.... how can one write a book when one is dead?

I found my post Stormy. Check it out-this was written almost two months ago!:

Why should we be satisfied with a small corner of this whole forum? Are we dogs that we pant happily when they throw us a few crumbs from the table?

You forget that they were never happy with our declaring independence and autonomy. Indeed, they are still upset about it. And anyways, the only way we were able to secure our independence was to do so through a process that was basically the equivalent of a salmon swimming upstream. Barbs and shouts of 'offshoots' were leveled against us and we were falsely accused of 'separating from the church'. Those cries came from some of the mods as well as you recall. Or have you forgotten all of that opposition we faced?

Mark my words, this Prog subforum is a thorn, a blight, a blemish on the pristine face of what is a predominately conservative/Trad-oriented forum. It is in thier best interests to find some way to bring this subforum under the fist of thier control. It is only a matter of time before they find some loophole, some wording in the rule system that will allow them to finally take over this place as well and enforce thier rules on us here as well. We get too comfortable and lose our edge at our own peril. Like the sentry who falls asleep at his post, we let our guard down and they will find a way to take over this place as well. Certain ones on this forum will never be happy until this hotbed of unorthodox free-speech is obliterated from here forever. We are a threat you see, and a danger to thier agenda to convert visitors here to the Trad viewpoint.

It is my right to protest this new system as someone who never wanted all of these rules in the first place. What is this lunacy and hypocrisy that only allows the Trad viewpoint in the main forum while any other views are crushed out and thier carcasses are cast into the debate subforum, a place where you can still be nailed for the things you say or for challenging the Trad party line? Now we cannot even call heresy for what it is out there. Is this the way the forum was meant to be conducted? No. It is not fair and it is oppression and censorship. I will fight against it and whoever wants to join the crusade is welcome!

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=40007290&postcount=3

Did I call that one or did I call that one?

 

[Mankin]

Can I join your crusade Night. I'll bring some BIG weapons.

 

[StormyOne]

I found my post Stormy. Check it out-this was written almost two months ago!:

Why should we be satisfied with a small corner of this whole forum? Are we dogs that we pant happily when they throw us a few crumbs from the table?

You forget that they were never happy with our declaring independence and autonomy. Indeed, they are still upset about it. And anyways, the only way we were able to secure our independence was to do so through a process that was basically the equivalent of a salmon swimming upstream. Barbs and shouts of 'offshoots' were leveled against us and we were falsely accused of 'separating from the church'. Those cries came from some of the mods as well as you recall. Or have you forgotten all of that opposition we faced?

Mark my words, this Prog subforum is a thorn, a blight, a blemish on the pristine face of what is a predominately conservative/Trad-oriented forum. It is in thier best interests to find some way to bring this subforum under the fist of thier control. It is only a matter of time before they find some loophole, some wording in the rule system that will allow them to finally take over this place as well and enforce thier rules on us here as well. We get too comfortable and lose our edge at our own peril. Like the sentry who falls asleep at his post, we let our guard down and they will find a way to take over this place as well. Certain ones on this forum will never be happy until this hotbed of unorthodox free-speech is obliterated from here forever. We are a threat you see, and a danger to thier agenda to convert visitors here to the Trad viewpoint.

It is my right to protest this new system as someone who never wanted all of these rules in the first place. What is this lunacy and hypocrisy that only allows the Trad viewpoint in the main forum while any other views are crushed out and thier carcasses are cast into the debate subforum, a place where you can still be nailed for the things you say or for challenging the Trad party line? Now we cannot even call heresy for what it is out there. Is this the way the forum was meant to be conducted? No. It is not fair and it is oppression and censorship. I will fight against it and whoever wants to join the crusade is welcome!

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=40007290&postcount=3

Did I call that one or did I call that one?

indeed a prophet amongst us....

 

[NightEternal]

Someone just reported this post:

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41317508&postcount=19

Ironically, this same post was one that 3 different people PM'd me and thanked me for saying.

Refuting what I said seems to be too much to ask. Much easier to just report it and not deal with the truth of the post.

Pathetic.