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If you believed you had been orderded by God to do something you find morally wrong (for example, murder someone), would you do it?
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I don't believe in God, but if He did exist, I would like to think I wouldn't murder a person if He asked. Are you saying if we do murder the person we will go to Heaven, but if we don't we will go to Hell? Honestly, I really don't know what I would do.
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The Bellman said:
Well, Abraham was quite prepared to do it.
Me, I tend to talk back to the voices in my head. I'm sure a hearty arguement would ensue.
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Magisterium
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In fact, morality should be the first line of discernment in recognizing if an inclination is from God or not. The Holy Spirit is not the only spirit out there. Many people have followed the prompting of what they believed to be divine guidance only to find that it wasn't divine guidance in the first place.The Bellman said:
As for those who might point to various times in the Old Testament when God commands people to carry out His judgment, It was just that, Judgment.
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If I thought it to be morally wrong I know God would think it more wrong.
I would not do nothing morally wrong unless I was insane or wanted to do it.
I am assuming you mean like murder or something of that nature.
I would not do nothing morally wrong unless I was insane or wanted to do it.
I am assuming you mean like murder or something of that nature.
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To all who have replied along the lines of:
"God would not order me to do anything wrong."
Please read the question again. It's a HYPOTHETICAL. IF he did so, would you do it? Whether or not he would or might is beside the point; the question is IF he did so, would you do it?
I'd also note that to say that God would never order someone to do something morally wrong is ludicrous, when he did that, repeatedly, according to the bible.
"God would not order me to do anything wrong."
Please read the question again. It's a HYPOTHETICAL. IF he did so, would you do it? Whether or not he would or might is beside the point; the question is IF he did so, would you do it?
I'd also note that to say that God would never order someone to do something morally wrong is ludicrous, when he did that, repeatedly, according to the bible.
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I must say that I fine this line of thinking amazing. We are to use our own human, flawed understanding of what is moral and stack it up against instructions purportedly from God? So, if we think something is morally wrong (wrongly, that is, it's not really morally wrong), there's nothing God can do to convince us that it isn't, because we'd say "Since what you're telling me to do is morally wrong (according to what *I* think is morally wrong), you must not be God."Magisterium said:
Which explains nothing. The fact remains that God ordered people to do that which they thought was morally wrong.Magisterium said:
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Magisterium
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Well Bell,The Bellman said:
It seems to me that you haven't taken a moment to examin your "hypothetical" situation and it's implications. First of all we'll begin with the meaning of "moral". The term moral refers to a standard of right and wrong. Any standard whatsoever is still a moral standard (also called a "morality")
That said, Christian morals rest precisely in God's will. Whatever God's will is, is what Christian morality is. (This of course is irrespective of methods of discerning God's will.) Therefore, it's a self defeating hypothesis because if God commands it, it's moral by virtue of God's command. Morality has no precedent other than God Himself for the Christian.
Now if you'd like to talk about false ideas of God's will and God's modes of communication or other things, that's a separate discussion. However, your situation, as you presented it, is self defeating.
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The question does seem to bring together some common points I hear on these boards.
"Whatever god does is moral and good."
"We can't put our judgement above god."
But if God tells you to do something, and you decide it's not God because it goes against your perception of Christian morals.
In doing this, your are deciding what God is, you are esentially putting yourself above God.
Of course you can never be sure. But that's kind of the point.
Ryal Kane
"Whatever god does is moral and good."
"We can't put our judgement above god."
But if God tells you to do something, and you decide it's not God because it goes against your perception of Christian morals.
In doing this, your are deciding what God is, you are esentially putting yourself above God.
Of course you can never be sure. But that's kind of the point.
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Well, I've thought about it and I decided I wouldn't do it, especially if it was a child. Even if it means burning forever in Hell, at least I'll know I did the right thing.
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If you believed you had been ordered by God to do something you find morally wrong (for example, murder someone), would you do it?
No. I believe in an absolute standard. Wrong is wrong no matter who says it. If I am wrong, and God is good, the worst thing that can happen is that God is disappointed in my lack of faith. If I am right, then I would have stained my hands because of a delusion or following a false god.
Edit. changed awk wording.
No. I believe in an absolute standard. Wrong is wrong no matter who says it. If I am wrong, and God is good, the worst thing that can happen is that God is disappointed in my lack of faith. If I am right, then I would have stained my hands because of a delusion or following a false god.
Edit. changed awk wording.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Read the OP again more carefully. It's entirely about being instructed by God to do something YOU THINK is wrong. Perhaps, as a result of God instructing you to do it, you change your mind, and decide it's right. But when he actually tells you to do it, you think it's wrong. It's not self-defeating...it's a simple question. Now, can you answer it, instead of trying to claim it's "self defeating"?Magisterium said:
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slayer-2004
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To blindly obey someone just because they created the universe ? Nay , I would not base morality on that . The idea that authority decides what is morally right is illogical , as it can go either way ( changing ) and is therefore not moral . If god ever commanded me to do something like murder an innocent person , I would refuse no matter what .
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