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I came across this post in another forum site that I participate in.


I specifically wanted to comment on this area of the post.

Maybe I'm naive -- and if so, please correct me with specific examples -- but I can't conceive of any of the world's other "major" religions refusing to condemn rioting and murder done in the name of that religion. Your thoughts?

I wasn't sure exactly how to respond. Any ideas or comments I might be able to share?
 

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Originally posted by vegan
Muslims are notorious for refusing to criticize violence done in the name of Islam. Look at the deafining silence of Muslims in America post-9/11.

Well, since we are generalizing...

Christians are notorious for painting non-Christians in the worst light possible in the name of Christianity.  Look at all the Muslim-bashing in America post-911.

Now, back to reality...

What are you looking for?  A group of Muslims to come knocking on your door personally apologizing for the terrorists acts?  Since you specifically categorized "Muslims in America" you would do well to check out the Council on American-Islamic Relations:

From their website


Quickly following the terrorist attacks I remember seing dozens of interviews on t.v. from American Muslims - each one of them expressing grief and sorrow - I honestly don't know how one could miss it - unless of course you did nothing but listen to the likes of Falwell and Robertson.

I you think the silence in deafening on this topic then perhaps you should invest in hearing aids - but perhaps it is just easier to generalize others?
 
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Originally posted by smurfy2day
Just to but in here....

I think that Christians are among the most prosecuted in this country for going against the grain, and refusing to back down to small minority groups.

Yeah, no kidding, that's how a cocaine-snorting, drunk-driving, Christian male got to be President.

Really though, how many Churches were set aflame after 911?  How many Mosques?

How many gays group around a Christian and drag him behind their pickup truck?

How many Chrisitans have their funerals picketed by people holding "God hates Xians" signs?

How many states contain laws denying a Chrisitan from holding office?  How many states contain such laws for atheists?

How many Christians are expelled from state-sponsered organizations such as the BSA for simply being Christian?

If you are going to suggest that Christians are the most prosecuted group in America then I suggest you back up that claim with some hard evidence.

edited to delete an unnnecessary referrence to a past thread (Rule 1) -DJ
 
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Originally posted by smurfy2day
In regards to this hate-filled nasty remark, I will say only one thing: we should support our leader, even if we don't agree with everything he says/does.

Well, I highly doubt many of the Christians here would agree with that sentiment if Clinton was still in charge, but I digress.

In response to your claim about Christians being the "most prosecuted" in this country, please answer these questions:

Really though, how many Churches were set aflame after 911?  How many Mosques?

How many gays group around a Christian and drag him behind their pickup truck?

How many Chrisitans have their funerals picketed by people holding "God hates Xians" signs?

How many states contain laws denying a Chrisitan from holding office?  How many states contain such laws for atheists?

How many Christians are expelled from state-sponsored organizations such as the BSA for simply being Christian?
 
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Originally posted by smurfy2day  
I will say only one thing: we should support our leader, even if we don't agree with everything he says/does.

Why? I disagree with almost everything that he does. Why would I possibly want to support him?
 
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"Look at all the Muslim-bashing in America post-911. "

This is an incorrect statement. Mr Bush himself didn't do this. The bashing came mostly from people without faith from what I understand, at least in my neighborhood


"What are you looking for?"

well considering Catholics weren't to blame, a political person was, they have several times came out and appologized for the crusades among other things, though the actions of a political extremist were to blame. Islam usually says acts of terror are wrong, but then turn around and say its okay or opennly Islamic states support them.
 
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1. If you wish to bad-mouth christians, why not go to a non-christian page? Makes perfect sense to me.

2. Muslims do anything BUT condemn muslim terrorism. I have heard some secular arab organizations condemn 9-11, but rarely do i hear muslim leaders... religious leaders, condemn attacks on jews in israel, the anti-american/jewish teachings in madrassas, etc.

Remember when some fringe elements of the Pro Life movement were shooting abortion doctors and the Catholic Church came out against such killings? THAT is what I want from Muslim religious leaders, not a door-to-door apology you facetiously suggested. I want to hear the outrage texans expressed when Byrd was dragged behind that pickup. I want to hear the outrage heterosexuals expressed when matthew sheppard was attacked. this is MISSING from the muslim religous community. they have, for YEARS, opposed american policy in the middle east and supported muslim terrorists in israel as "freedom fighters."
 
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Originally posted by vegan
1. If you wish to bad-mouth christians, why not go to a non-christian page? Makes perfect sense to me.

Ummm... hello ... Mc Fly?  Take a closer look at my post...

Well, since we are generalizing...

Christians are notorious for painting non-Christians in the worst light possible in the name of Christianity.  Look at all the Muslim-bashing in America post-911.

Now, back to reality...

It was a farce based on your rude and condescending generalizatoin of Muslims.  Get it?  If that bothers you than one can only wonder why you feel justified in saying such things toward Muslim Americans.  Do unto others?  Naw, not if by "others" you mean "Muslims"...

For the record (again!) I do not paint all Christians with the same brush nor do I judge the whole of Christianity based on the perceived actions of a violent minority.

2. Muslims do anything BUT condemn muslim terrorism.


That is a lie.  Did you not read my link?  Did you not read what the Council on American-Islamic Relations had to say?

I have heard some secular arab organizations condemn 9-11, but rarely do i hear muslim leaders... religious leaders, condemn attacks on jews in israel, the anti-american/jewish teachings in madrassas, etc.


Just today, the leaders of Saudi Arabia spoke out against the terrorists.  Try [/B][/QUOTE] here.  I have also seen expressed grief from leaders of countries such as UAE in past interviews/articles.  Shortly after 9/11 hundreds of Islam religious leaders got together and condemned the attacks.  I supspect that you are simply not looking hard enough for condemnation - or either you simply wish to see none as it helps feed for bigotry towards Islam.
 
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Just for the record guys, here are some links I've found regarding Islam leaders and their views on terrorism.  It literally took me seconds to find these guys, seconds!  You should be ashamed of yourselves for not doing a least a little research before you start painting 1.2 billion person with such a broad (an highly offensive) brush.

 Together in the fight against terrorism

 American Muslim Leaders Condemn Terrorism

 Condemnations of 9/11 Attack

(from the last article)

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Some people are not listening?  No kidding!  And you guys wonder why there are so many wars amoungst religious groups?
 
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Yeesh, you are one tough customer aren't you?

Here's my take:  "I am sorry, Christianty is an upstanding religion.  I was confused by the history of violence, the pedophile preists, and other such things."

Don't care for that?  Then why do you think it is fair to generalize others?

This is all besides the point, though.  Who cares what you think of Saudi Arabia?  You venomously lied about not only Islam in general but also about American Muslims, who have had to put up with all kinds of garbage from people like you since 9/11.

I took a mere 20 seconds of my time to find links that dispute your low-blow accusations of others.  This is your opportunity to learn something ... I sincerely hope you don't go on sprouting opinions like this anymore.

Thou shall not bear false witness.
 
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Starscream, I think you have taken that commandment out of context.

If you look very closely, I think you will find it says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness unless it is politically expedient, matches pre conceived ideas, helps build hostility to rival religions or you really feel like it." (the last one usually involves giving a cut to the editor of the Book, so most people prefer to use one of the other three.)
 
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