Opinions needed

[Digit]

Hello MLH1986,

I have no issue with questioning, in fact I heave more years as non-Christian than you have years alive. I've seen many others who have been brought up in a Christian family go through similar experiences as you. It normally goes something like:
Raised a Christian.
Rejected Christ in late teens.
Accepted Christ in later life.
...

There may be more accepting/rejecting thereafter (hence ...), but it's not an unusual pattern from what I've seen.

I feel I've done a great deal with my time so far and had a great deal of experiences, it was only when I found the love of my life, that I realised how little I truly knew about love, and that's where the questioning began in ernest, for something greater than what everyone presented to me. The Bible may seem like a book full of myth and fancy stories to you, but it's helped me a great deal and I find a lot of truth in it. I have enough questions about it to fill up this forum by myself, but I like what I've seen so far and I intend to pursue it. There are issues in the Bible that we may not like, and we are free to question them, yet I find the logic that says, "Horrible things are recorded in the Bible, therefore God cannot exist." odd. There are many horrible things in the world, that exist just fine in truth.

Also, to clarify, even if something disagrees with Christianity, and presents facts that cast doubt on it, it's authority and originality in the nicest way possible, it's still anti-Christian. It's semantics sure, but that's how I see it.

Also, you mistakingly feel that I accept it because it makes me feel safe and comfortable. I do not, as there are many things I dislike about it, that make life hard. In fact one example, is that there is no marriage in Heaven, that alone can really crush some people. So it's not all sweet smells and roses, but I do feel it is all true and worth investing time in.

Cheers!
Digit

 

[Digit]

Hello MLH1986 ,

Why? Your question is still here, it hasn't been edited, deleted, moved or changed in any way. You can ask whatever you like, but if you dislike the response, the onus is not on us to correct that. It is on you.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[MLH1986]

you do a good job hiding from questions digit, ive noticed that, I am asking for a discussion on the video presented, nothing else. I would take your information a little more respectfully if you showed the same kind of respect. I really question whether you should be a mod, seeing how you are dodging your responsibility. "I don't feel like watching it" sounds a bit lazy for a person of your stature. You didn't mind questioning it in the past, but now you do have a problem with it, you do not want your bubble popped. And please don't make the foolish mistake of comparing our planet with something that has absolutely no physical evidence, that isn't even rational at all. It's what George Orwell in the book 1984 called double speak, for example: "You cannot prove God exist, but you cannot prove God doesn't exist" with this thought pattern you can justify anything.

 

[MLH1986]

there has been no educated RESPONSE to the video digit, you are lying out of your teeth my friend, one must address the content presented to even have the merit to comment on it.

 

[MLH1986]

lol I know who you are talking about, Awesomegirl, I showed her the video and she is a free thinking agnostic once again, it is hard for the mind to reject the years of fear and brainwashing that is installed upon you when you are a child. We are good friends, I know her from agnosticforums.com, we have know each other for a while.

 

[Digit]

Hello MLH1986,

you do a good job hiding from questions digit, ive noticed that, I am asking for a discussion on the video presented, nothing else.

I'm not dodging questions at all, I very pointedly said in my first reply, that I am outright not going to respond to it. If you wish to hear from other Christians, I provided a link to a site where one such Christian has taken time and effort to go through the entire video. You said you didn't like that, ok, well, that's fine. That also isn't my problem.

I would take your information a little more respectfully if you showed the same kind of respect. I really question whether you should be a mod, seeing how you are dodging your responsibility. "I don't feel like watching it" sounds a bit lazy for a person of your stature.

My responsibility as a moderator has nothing to do with how active I am in this forum replying to questions with answers that satifsy the original poster. It has to do with upholding the forum rules in this area.

You didn't mind questioning it in the past, but now you do have a problem with it, you do not want your bubble popped.

What makes us any different? I wasn't a Christian, but now am. You were a Christian, but now not. You like the video, I like the article I linked you to. How can you say that my not questioning things now, which I should add is actually untrue, I question aplenty - I simply don't wish to expose myself to anti-Christian media, is any different from the way you approach things now?

Tell me something, if I go and copy/paste the answers from that article, will that make it seem more like it's coming from me? You know that's what most people do on this forum. We all have an axiom, and we post accordingly.

And please don't make the foolish mistake of comparing our planet with something that has absolutely no physical evidence, that isn't even rational at all. It's what George Orwell in the book 1984 called double speak, for example: "You cannot prove God exist, but you cannot prove God doesn't exist" with this thought pattern you can justify anything.

You've lost me here.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Digit]

Hello MLH1986,

there has been no educated RESPONSE to the video digit, you are lying out of your teeth my friend, one must address the content presented to even have the merit to comment on it.

*scratches head* What am I lying about exactly? Can you quote it please so I can see.

Thanks,
Digit

 

[Digit]

Hello MLH1986,

lol I know who you are talking about, Awesomegirl, I showed her the video and she is a free thinking agnostic once again, it is hard for the mind to reject the years of fear and brainwashing that is installed upon you when you are a child. We are good friends, I know her from agnosticforums.com, we have know each other for a while.

You know who I am talking about from where and when? It's hard to keep a discussion up when you hop about like this, if you could quote my replies and then respond, it would help things. I do know Awesomegirl, she posted a few threads here a while back and we spoke via PM a little too, but I am confused as to what relevance she has in your thread and this video?

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Awesomegirl]

WOW your good at playing dumb, the difference between me and you is I researching both sides of the arguement, not just your site, and after reading the site I found it very very flawed and incomplete in the argument against the video, also the video list more than 16 "saviors in other religions that fit the bill exactly. Also it dodges the astrological aspects of the video almost completely. I wouldn't mind your copy and pasting if you actually would research my point of view, which is the video I am presenting, you are being closed minded by not researching both sides. You are lying because an educated discussion involves researching both sides, no one has yet to claim to have watched the video, so no educated discussion. It's is funny because all that has been given is excuses and other sources while the original information layed out for discussion has been entirely avoided. It is obvious that you and the other people on this forum are afraid to have their beliefs challenged, I have read your source, watch my video.

 

[Awesomegirl]

You said that during your experience here you have noticed a pattern of Christians that break away from the faith then come back to it. I know you have talked to awesomegirl, a person a lot like me who broke free from blind faith. I read your post when you two debated. She isn't returning to religion anytime soon so your "pattern is a stereotype"

 

[Awesomegirl]

on a side note the religion part of the video is the least mind opening part of the film, the latter material is truly scary and insights emotions in me that bring tears to my eyes

 

[Digit]

WOW your good at playing dumb, the difference between me and you is I researching both sides of the arguement, not just your site, and after reading the site I found it very very flawed and incomplete in the argument against the video, also the video list more than 16 "saviors in other religions that fit the bill exactly. Also it dodges the astrological aspects of the video almost completely. I wouldn't mind your copy and pasting if you actually would research my point of view, which is the video I am presenting, you are being closed minded by not researching both sides. You are lying because an educated discussion involves researching both sides, no one has yet to claim to have watched the video, so no educated discussion. It's is funny because all that has been given is excuses and other sources while the original information layed out for discussion has been entirely avoided. It is obvious that you and the other people on this forum are afraid to have their beliefs challenged, I have read your source, watch my video.

Hello Awesomegirl,

I stated at the start of this that I wouldn't watch the video. If it was something slightly shorter, then perhaps I would have, but I'm not investing that much time into something like that I'm afraid. I've been upfront about why I don't want too, and I tried to help via submitting a link to a Christian who didn't mind watching it, and had composed their list of responses. I am not every Christian here, I am but one. So if another Christian finds this post, and wishes to reply to the video point for point, they are welcome too, basically though MLH1986 is giving me grief due to me being upfront about not wishing to watch the video, but trying to help him find a Christian response anyhow. Seems a little unfair to me.

I would also hasten to suggest that the video MLH1986 isn't your point of view, it simply represents a great deal of misconceptions and also factual errors, that form a good looking and sounding critique of Christianity, which supports your position as an Agnostic, that's just my uninformed two cents however.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Digit]

Hello Awesomegirl,

You said that during your experience here you have noticed a pattern of Christians that break away from the faith then come back to it. I know you have talked to awesomegirl, a person a lot like me who broke free from blind faith. I read your post when you two debated. She isn't returning to religion anytime soon so your "pattern is a stereotype"

Why are you referring to yourself in the third person, is MLH1986 a duplicate account?

My 'pattern' as you so call it is hardly a stereotype, and it wasn't actually based on Awesomegirl's experience at all, it was based on friends experiences, and those close to me. In fact it seems also quite logical, as there will come a point where you question everything, and during a humans rebelious teenage years, they will often act out against their parents wishes, which in some respects causes even more harsh forcing of the parents beliefs on them, eventually something snaps, and it's usually the relationship with the parents and God that goes, whilst they go and find out what they believe. It is not uncommon for them to return to faith, but on their own terms, and sometimes radically different from the faith their parents taught them. Sometimes too, they do not return.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Floatingaxe]

*laughs* or so you think it is, "the bible challenges me" I don't mean challenge in that way i mean opposing views, are you too afraid your mind will reject it when given sufficient evidence? That is what it sounds like to me. Oh the bible is very immoral, I would call rape/torture/dashing babies heads/ and other common bible stories extremely immoral. How can someone find roasting people of other faiths in an endless oven forever moral? Digit your right I didn't find anyone here with the courage to talk to me about this video, no one here had the guts, your "easy prey"(which I totally didn't say, thanks for putting words in my mouth) I'm not here to debate what feels good or what seems right, I'm here to discuss the film in a formal manner, but no one here knows what a formal discussion is I guess. Ill just have to show the film to everyone on my dorm, Ill probably mention it in the school newspaper since I am chief editor, maybe some people from college will take me up on a discussion.

Cheers,
MLH1986

Who are you to judge God? Doing that is placing yourself above Him, and we all know that you aren't. So, your view is extremely naive and weak. God is above your judgment, your thoughts and ways.

Have you given any consideration to the very real possibility that you just don't know God? You can know Him. He wants to know you and for you to have a relationship with Him--He wants you to understand these questions. He will answer you, because He loves you and desires you. Come to Jesus Christ as your own personal saviour, and find your answers.

 

[Key]

Hello Awesomegirl,


Why are you referring to yourself in the third person, is MLH1986 a duplicate account?

That is what I figured when I read it too.

But come on, the video cites Archa S (or how ever you spell that name) for pity's sake. How more unreliable can it be..

Anyway, at one time I may have been moved to respond to MLH1986's post and respond like you have Digit.

But the truth be told, it's a video, and it is nothing but rehashed arguments I have heard a thousands times before.

The outcry of being offended, was cute, can't even say that was unexpected either. Seen that one way too many times, for it to be f any worth.

Tell ya what, Want to make a good argument MLH1986 (Or Awsomegirl), Come up with one of your own, show me you have a hint of some kind of "free thought", so far, I have not been impressed with "Free Thinkers" because they have not "Thunk" of anything new.

But I guess, I would bother myself with this who thing, If I felt that anything I said, would be listened to, I mean really, would you even give what we had to say an ounce of consideration. In the past, the answer has been no, just a sad cry to try and tell us all our religion is wrong, and any answer we put forth is rabidly rejected. So with that in mind, I would say your really the one who has closed their mind, not I.

Prove me wrong.. if you can...

God Bless

Key

 

[aiki]

Digit, you have done an excellent job in responding to MLH1986's posts. Well done.

Peace to you.

 

[Key]

Digit, you have done an excellent job in responding to MLH1986's posts. Well done.

Peace to you.

I need to spread some more rep around around before I can give it to Digit again.

I have to say Digit has been more then respectful and patient, far more I myself could have pulled off.

Blessing to you.

God Bless

Key

 

[Digit]

Hello,

Thanks very much for the kind words. Not sure what to say abou that, so er... *slinks away*

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Katie7725]

I've read through all of this and I def side with MLH on this one, you guys won't even watch the video yourselves, seems pretty lame to me.

I also wanted to reply to Key, you said we haven't "thunk" (bad grammar by the way) of anything new. How can you say that when theology is the only branch of human reasoning that hasn't changed in 2000 years, while science and other fields speed by. Just my thoughts.

While maybe being slightly rude, you guys were even ruder by not being a fair sport, I have watched the video and you really have to watch it to get the gist of it. 10 million people have viewed it on Google video already and it came out this year.

You post that MLH thinks he is above god, well his stance isn't against or above God it's he is skeptical in its' existence. There is absolutely no hard evidence for it, he has every right to doubt something that is unproven.

Last but not least, you told Awesomegirl that she just doesn't know God well being a Christian for the better part of my life I don't know god one bit. This is coming from a girl who prayed intimately daily, who went to church and was involved in the church. I kept waiting for God to make his self know to me or relevant in some fashion, but he never did, and I decided to question his existence. But I don't mind questioning things, I question the motives and the agenda of the people that I vote for so I don't see why this should be any different.

Ok I didn't want to offend anyone(which since I'm defending the non christian I probably did) with this, just felt like standing up for someone I feel has been mistreated.

Laterz,
Katie

 

[Katie7725]

It funny Digit that you place agnostics and skeptics in this little box of yours. "in their rebelious teenage years" Yes it is rebellion why people doubt God, yeah that must be it. Nope it's because there is no reason to have faith or belief for an invisible unprovable supernatural object. People stop believing because they find it unbelievable.