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I agree with you. The new covenant that Jerermiah is quoting hasn't happened yet.Jer 31:34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
The text says that one of the signs of the new covenant is that ALL will know and no more will there be a need to teach others to "know the Lord."
To say that the New Covenant is already in place, and that it only applies to believers just doesn't make sense, and doesn't agree with the plain meaning of the text.
Yeshua said that the gospel was to be preached to ALL the world - so obviously He thought that there was a need for people to be taught.
The requirement of Gentiles to convert and be circumcised did not take place until the time of the Hasmoneans in 165 BCE.
Wags,
here is the scripture you were quoting.
I agree with you. The new covenant that Jerermiah is quoting hasn't happened yet.
First, I do have the Torah written on my heart, just as it is written in D'varim 6:4-9. "And these words that I command you today shall be in your heart." Second, I do have the Shekhina upon me, if not, I would not be able to keep Torah with all my heart. And third, I have a very personal relationship with HaShem. I would challenge anyone to prove otherwise.If you are not living in the New Covenant then you do not have the spirit living in you or have the Law written upon your heart. You do not have a persoanl relationship with God. This all happen through the rebirth in the spirit as part of the New Covenant. It did not take place in the Sinai covenant.
No, nowhere does the Tanakh say that it would only be offered to them "first." It specifically says "Beit Yisrael and Beit Y'hudah." How is there provision for Goyim then? Righteous Goyim are permitted into the Olam Haba only by joining themselves to Am Yisrael.The New Covenant is with Judah and Israel. Yes it was offered to them first. And then they are reunited as one Israel and the covenant is made with them. This is faithful Israel those who accepted Yeshua as Messiah and have received the New Covenant. And it includes faithful Gentiles..
No, nowhere does the Tanakh say that it would only be offered to them "first." It specifically says "Beit Yisrael and Beit Y'hudah." How is there provision for Goyim then? Righteous Goyim are permitted into the Olam Haba only by joining themselves to Am Yisrael.
Shalom,
Chazak Emunah
Once again Charles - as a Third party I find your personal comments to ChazakEmunah very afronting. To say that one doesn't have an intimate relationship with HaShem is very, very derogatory.
I'm finding your attitude to be rather pitiful. To be blunt.
regards,
MJ
Luke 22:20 'Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, 'this cup is the New Covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.'
In my reading of the Brit Hadasha there seems to be a definate 'New Covenant' made. Afterall, the Testator had died, and therefore there must be a 'New Testiment' drawn up.
Another point. When the Covenant at Sinai was made, the people of Israel hadn't entered the Promise Land, the which was/is integral to the effectual running of that Covenant. It wasn't untill 40 years after, that the Conditions of that Covenant were met.
So likewise with the 'New Covenant', the conditions haven't been met, there are future conditions that will be met. This doesn't 'undo' the effectual working of the Covenant. Much like Daniel and Ezra - while they were unable to see the fulfillment of the Conditions - the 'Covenant' still stood.
Am I makeing my thoughts clear??
In my reading of the Brit Hadasha there seems to be a definate 'New Covenant' made. Afterall, the Testator had died, and therefore there must be a 'New Testiment' drawn up.
Another point. When the Covenant at Sinai was made, the people of Israel hadn't entered the Promise Land, the which was/is integral to the effectual running of that Covenant. It wasn't untill 40 years after, that the Conditions of that Covenant were met.
So likewise with the 'New Covenant', the conditions haven't been met, there are future conditions that will be met. This doesn't 'undo' the effectual working of the Covenant. Much like Daniel and Ezra - while they were unable to see the fulfillment of the Conditions - the 'Covenant' still stood.
MJ
Matty,
My comments to Chazak were an expression of the scriptures and the words of Messiah. Would you prefer I distort the Gospel and tell him that it's OK he does not need Yeshua as his Savior, his messiah that all he needs to do is be keeping Torah the best he can? Is this what the Aposltes and Paul told the Jews? Did they tell them, yes you are all fine just go to the synagogue and study Torah and you will have eternal life and Gentile will only get Eternal life if they become part of Israel. Is that the Gospel?
I care enough for Chazak to share the Gospel with him. As a Messianic I believe in the Messiahship of Yeshua and our need for him to provide us with the new birth through the spirit. I believe his words. Yeshua died for Chavak as well as he rest of us and he needs to know that. Who is going to tell him if we who believe are unwilling to? This is our commission from Yeshua to make disciples of all men, starting with the Jewish brothers in Judea. I share the Gospel and the words of Messiah to us. And if they are offensive to anyone then know this, the Gospel has always been an offence to the Jews who trust in Moshe and not in Yeshua. I will not distort the truth nor praise the rejection of Yeshua in order to maintain some social graces, not when we are in a debate over the validity of the Person and authority of Yeshua and his word. I will stand for Messiah. I am his disciple not Moshes.
Matty,
This is a good point and one that I have been trying to demonstrate from the New Covenant. But you are correct that it existed also in the Sinai covenant. It is the principle of the first-fruits. The folks in the wilderness for 38 years were to live within the terms of the covenant even though all the conditions and it's provisions would not be realized untill they became established in the promised land. Not just crossing the river, but when the Pagans were dealt with and they actually took posession of the lands of Israel. Many points in the Sinai covenant are addressed as "When you shall enter the lands which I am giving you , you shall . . . .. So those have to wait until it is time for that.
So also in the New Covenant. We have not seen the final harvest yet, and all the nations have not been brought under Gods footstool, which does not happen until after the return of Messiah, and the nations are not yet required to come up every year to Sukkot, but these will come in their time. So will every man knowing the Lord. For now beginning with the Apostles we are first-fruits of the New Covenant and are already living in the Kingdom way even though the rest of the world does not see it yet. Yeshua is already our King and we obey him. The Aposltes understood this principle that those who first believed were first-fruits and not the final harvest.
Ro 16: [5] Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
James 1: [18] Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
We go before the others and prepare the way. When the Sinai covenant was made Israel was a nation of slaves. When they are finished with their trek in the wilderness they have become an army for God and a nation of priests. They have trained and prepared for the time of taking posession of the promise. We do the same in ths age as we wait for Messiah's return.
Yeshua was the first-fruits of all those who will be raised from the dead. Notice that there are others like Lazzarus and the womans son, and the many at the tme of the resurrection, but they are not part of the general resurrection of the righteous. They did not receive Glorified bodies that are immortal. They only received a reprieve from death and were a sign for Gods power. Those who are resurrected at His return receive the glorified body and are part of the first resurrection. I point this out so that no one become confused. There are first fruits of the Covenant, firstfruits of the resurrection and firstfruits of the special ministers to God, seen in the 144000 in revelation. First fruits is the early harvest from each group or field.
1 Cor 15: [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
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