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oooh I wish I had come aross this last week. For DD2008

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Musa80

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Despite what the video says at the end - it all looks like worship to me. Praying to? kneeling and bowing before, etc.? It stinks of idolatry to me and I don't want any part of it.

LOL I guess ridiculous statements like this are what brought on this thread
 
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Basically, they perform all of the key elements of worship towards Mary, but yet somehow it is not "worship" because they rename it "veneration" or something else?

I can't help but feel that it's apples and apples.

My spirit is unable to differentiate the two and absolutely could not perform this "veneration" of Mary without it being "worship" in the biblical sense. I don't know how anyone could.
 
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well if you can not differentiate between the two it is good that you do not venerate our Lady
what is worship? are all those who kneel in prayer to God true worshipers? will not our Lord say to many "get away from me, I never knew you"
would he say that to someone who really worshiped Him?
 
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Well I imagine there is a huge difference between feigning worship, worshipping as a façade or for show, or worshipping some other god but calling it the true God...

and...

worshipping something other than the true God straight up.

I don't see how your example explains your position. Can you elaborate on it?
 
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I guess everyone missed the point.

The part where we find her in tortillas and grilled cheese sandwiches, besides it being hilarious, the video was to show you what is extreme false veneration and what is true veneration.

The latter is authentic, the former is extreme.

and the Church does not agree that Mary appeared in tortillas and grill cheese. lol.
 
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Now I ask where in all scripture is it ever written for what the Pope proclaimed in 1854?




The devil was angry becuase He could not get to her.. she was not his.

and Mary said her soul reflects the Lord... and that God had saved her. Christ was in her womb, not on the cross. So how was she saved and reflecting the spirit of God?

and she also said that God has done great things to her.

and in the beginning we see God promising to put enmity between Eve and Mary.

and we know the women in revelation 12 is the women in Genesis because what did Christ call His mother? Woman.
 
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Worship is more then just a physical action, you see people kneeling infront of icons and statues and you call it "Mary Worship"
but you can not see a persons heart, so you can not really judge if it is worship or not

I see this as the same as the old testement account of the queen of heaven which is a title that man has given to Mary and not God
Ba'al was a pagan god, Ba'al means "Lord" but we call our God "Lord" as well? did we take that from the pagans?
no that idea is silly
just as there is the true Lord and a counterfeit lord
there is a true Queen of Heaven and a pagan counterfiet
 
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