Only three possibilities.

[Not me]

There are only three possibilities when it comes to God and creation.

1) You can be God.
2) You can be creation.
3) You can be God & creation joined.

Since we are not God, that does away with #1
Since we are creation. There are only 2 possibilities left;

1) Creation left to itself, or it’s own qualities, i.e. covetousness, envy, pride and wrath, which are the elements of sin or self. Which in turn are the very elements of hell.

Or

2) God and creation joined, which is what Christianity is. The joining of God and creation. Not that the creation becomes God. But that God is manifested in and though creation. Like fire is manifested though hot iron. Iron remains the same but the light is manifested in and through it. This in Scripture is called “Christ being formed in us”. Oh, that Christ would be manifested in and though every part of His body. And that Christ would be written in our hearts, that all could read Him.

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[Radagast]

This is non-Christian pantheist teaching.

 

[Not me]

This is non-Christian pantheist teaching.

How? Please explain how it is NOT a Christian teaching.

Could, and would you, name me one thing that isn’t God or creation? If you can’t do that, than truth would demand there are only three possibilities.

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

How? Please explain how it is NOT a Christian teaching.

Could, and would you, name me one thing that isn’t God or creation? If you can’t do that, than truth would demand there are only three possibilities.

Much love in Christ, Not me

The problem is not God or creation but 'God and creation' - the third, which is what panentheism refers to God in everything... or God in creation.

Christianity on the other hand defines that God & creation mixed in that way except for one occasion: in the person of Jesus Christ.

 

[Not me]

The problem is not God or creation but 'God and creation' - the third, which is what panentheism refers to God in everything... or God in creation.

Christianity on the other hand defines that God & creation mixed in that way except for one occasion: in the person of Jesus Christ.

Is not this what Christ prayed for;

John 17:21 (NASB)
that they may all be one; even as You, Father, [are] in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Again when scripture says that “God may fill all in all” and again that “Christ in us is our hope of glory”

Again; “ is is no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me”

It is Christ “being formed in”
the believer, this is Christianity.

Everything else is a “trying to establish a righteousness of one’s own” which is stumbling over the “stumbling block of the cross of Christ” which is the truth, that when “Christ died we died” for the end that, Christ might be formed “ IN US” (the believer.) For Christ came not to “fix” us but to “replace” us. With the “new creation” which is a manifestation of the “divine nature” in humanity. Where the Divine Nature is manifested, there God is, for the Divine Nature can never be separated from God. This is why scripture says “Christ in us is our hope of glory” as it will be for all eternity.

For, for all eternity there is one that is good and that is God. Good can only be manifested in creation to the degree creation can manifest God.

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[GTW27]

There are only three possibilities when it comes to God and creation.

1) You can be God.
2) You can be creation.
3) You can be God & creation joined.

Since we are not God, that does away with #1
Since we are creation. There are only 2 possibilities left;

1) Creation left to itself, or it’s own qualities, i.e. covetousness, envy, pride and wrath, which are the elements of sin or self. Which in turn are the very elements of hell.

Or

2) God and creation joined, which is what Christianity is. The joining of God and creation. Not that the creation becomes God. But that God is manifested in and though creation. Like fire is manifested though hot iron. Iron remains the same but the light is manifested in and through it. This in Scripture is called “Christ being formed in us”. Oh, that Christ would be manifested in and though every part of His body. And that Christ would be written in our hearts, that all could read Him.

Much love in Christ, Not me

I see, to whom, you are speaking, on this particular forum, but it is not me. These words to you, would have remained the same, even if you had picked another screen name. For those that are truly His, even the birds of the air can see Him in us. Or, "the creation eagerly awaits the revealing of the sons of God."

 

[Not me]

I see, to whom, you are speaking, on this particular forum, but it is not me. These words to you, would have remained the same, even if you had picked another screen name. For those that are truly His, even the birds of the air can see Him in us. Or, "the creation eagerly awaits the revealing of the sons of God."

As a believer, it is our personal relationship with Christ that is the important thing. That this relationship would increase, so that we might know Him in all reality and truth. So that when all is said and done, we will receive our “well done thou good and faithful servant”

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[frater_domus]

To do an action “in Christ” would mean to do it like Christ would have done it. At least that is how I understand it.
“As the father in me, so am I in you” is a similar scenario. The spirit of God is in Christ, just as the spirit of Christ should be in us. From what I have gathered, Spirit often stands for action, as it is the one bringing forth the fruits in us.

Besides, God is in all things. He sustains us and all the world. Apart from God there is nothing. So I do not think that a joint “God+Creation” is a thing. That interpretation seems a bit too literal.

 

[GTW27]

As a believer, it is our personal relationship with Christ that is the important thing. That this relationship would increase, so that we might know Him in all reality and truth. So that when all is said and done, we will receive our “well done thou good and faithful servant”

Much love in Christ, Not me

As a believer, and as we grow in Him, it becomes all about them (the lost and the suffering). This, is Him in us. No longer do we look at our reward, but of the reward of others.

 

[Not me]

To do an action “in Christ” would mean to do it like Christ would have done it. At least that is how I understand it.
“As the father in me, so am I in you” is a similar scenario. The spirit of God is in Christ, just as the spirit of Christ should be in us. From what I have gathered, Spirit often stands for action, as it is the one bringing forth the fruits in us.

Besides, God is in all things. He sustains us and all the world. Apart from God there is nothing. So I eo not think that a joint “God+Creation” is a thing. That interpretation seems a bit too literal.

By whatever words one chooses to use. It is "Christ being formed in the believer" that is Christianity, as I'm sure you know. That God would give us understanding in all things, to the end that Christ might be formed in all His people. That "Christ my be written in our hearts", blessing to all that would seek to make this so in their lives.

Much love in Christ, Not me.

 

[Noxot]

there is a difference between pantheism and panentheism. panentheism is quite compatible with Christianity.

what is salvation but God joined to his creation?