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Recently separated and like I stated heading for a divorce. Do not feel their would be any chance for reconciliation as I do not believe my wife would "divorce" her friends that are a bad influence on her and basically got us to this point. Can't ever see her telling them no to the things that she does(going to bars and clubs). With that being said what is the curriculum for registering for an online dating forum? How long must one wait before they "see what is out there"? What are some previous experiences from both genders as to what they have done and how things turned out. Thanks for any input:)
 

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I have not found it easy to use dating sites. I can't get dates thru dating sites these days.

What I use is meetup.com. These are groups based around an interest you have. Like I have an interest in walking. So I walk with people, we talk and if I find someone of interest, then I get their info.

As for time, I'd say just be friends till you get a divorce.
 
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I agree with the above.

Regardless of whether or not your divorce is the right thing for you to do (heck, I remember when I went through one I *knew* without a shadow of a doubt that it was the right move) - that doesn't mean that *you* are ready to start dating again.

Want to know what's out there? Same thing as was out there last time you were single - a gang/huge bunch of women. Some are decent for you, some aren't. Some are cool, some are neurotic. You're not missing out on anything by giving yourself time to get into a good place.

So - I'd chill for a bit and then start probing around once the divorce is final and the dust has settled.
 
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Recently separated and like I stated heading for a divorce. Do not feel their would be any chance for reconciliation as I do not believe my wife would "divorce" her friends that are a bad influence on her and basically got us to this point. Can't ever see her telling them no to the things that she does(going to bars and clubs). With that being said what is the curriculum for registering for an online dating forum? How long must one wait before they "see what is out there"? What are some previous experiences from both genders as to what they have done and how things turned out. Thanks for any input:)
If you decide to do this, you must make it clear that you are still married. Do not tell women that you are single or divorced.

Like others, I believe you should wait until you are divorced to date. If you start dating, your estranged wife may well cite you for adultery.
 
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I don't have much experience with a variety of dating sites, but my understanding is that Christian sites will not even allow you to have a profile unless you are legally single (the divorce is finalized). I agree with the others. Wait till it's over, and if you do have an occasional date, be absolutely sure they know you are not divorced. You do not want to lead anyone on under false pretenses. I like what one person said - be friends with everyone, and when the "right" one comes along, you'll already know because of your friendship.
 
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Most definitely agree with the above responses. I am a Christian man and for me to start initiating dating while legally married is like adultery in God's eyes. Also being a Christian it would raise big questions to a true Christian woman(which is what I'm looking for). Being UY for the last 8 years of a miserable marriage has made me very EXCITED of the possibility of finding a woman that I could ACTUALLY share my faith with and one that would hold onto the same moralistic guidelines I hold to.
 
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savedbygracebre, I am in a similar situation as you, recently separated. There is no reconciliation on the cards because my wife still has feelings for the man she had an affair with, and isn't willing to completely cut all contact with him.

But I have a different view about whether you can date while separated. While I highly recommend you wait as long as possible (to give yourself time to recover, plus also not to intentionally hurt your ex-wife), at the end of the day the divorce system is a man made system, not God's system. It's a man-made legal system that says you have to wait 12 months after separation before you can get a legal divorce.

As far as I'm concerned, my marriage is already over in God's eyes. I am already divorced in his eyes. The fact that I have to wait 12 months for a piece of paper from the courts to confirm this is between me and the State, not me and God.

But yes I will still wait as long as possible because I think that's wise.

So I don't feel you have to wait for an official divorce before you start dating, but like others say you do absolutely have to be upfront with people and make sure that you tell them you are still married. This will be very important to some people.

Either way, take your time. We can be blinded by heading back into a relationship too soon. God will let you know when the time right.
 
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If you decide to do this, you must make it clear that you are still married. Do not tell women that you are single or divorced.

Like others, I believe you should wait until you are divorced to date. If you start dating, your estranged wife may well cite you for adultery.

Good advice. Also a point to consider is that rebound relationships have even less chance of succeeding than 2nd and 3rd marriages. Best to get strong again and work through any personal things that have caused problems before so the next relationship/marriage stands a better chance of success.

:groupray:
 
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Here in TN they make you go through some kind of divorce school before you can get a divorce.

While I went through it they had some sobering statistics.

Like 90% of all second marriages that were formed within 2 years of the ink on the previous divorce also ended in divorce.

and that 65 % of all second marriages also fail.

the stats for third and fourth marriages got progressively worse.

Where I truly understand the desire to replace that which was lost...(marriage).

I know that a second divorce is truly devastating. It makes your heart even more cold than it is now...even though you feel horrible enough to not recognize the scar tissue now forming.

Take some time. Real hurts take real time to heal from.

Become a whole person complete with a whole life of living and giving and caring for those around you. Not someone feeling the need for a spouse.

sure, I enjoy being married now. But it was a long and painful process to get to the point where I set my mind on simply being a happy, single bachelor.

But then I met Supplanter, (she is a member of this site) and things began to slowly change. She became my best friend. We enjoyed doing all kinds of things together and could sit and just talk for days at a time. (we literally did this)

we worked well together and could play together and even disagreed well with each other.

That was when she put the pressure on to marry. I agreed...and we got married and it has been fantastic since.

But the whole relationship has been built on God. the work was ministry work...our play was with fellowshipping with other christians...even our wedding was a platform used to explain how our ministries were going to be combined together to form a stronger and better one and that if they want true love they needed a real relationship with God.

Every step of our marriage is about showing and telling others about this wonderful God that we both know. That is our whole focus. We, together have touched and influenced so many people with our lives it is unnerving. We get excited more and more with each life we influence and see real change in.

And let me tell you. It is the marriage that everyone fantasizes about but very few actually have. I didn't think it really existed.

Now I know that you are likely rather lonely...and miserable. But where I know that this feels like nothing could be worse...let me tell you that oh yes, it can be worse...especially to keep those feelings and yet have someone there to torment you the whole time. And getting into a relationship right now would do just that.
 
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As a guy you have little chance of forming a sexual relationship with a woman while your still married, for women it seems to be a cake walk. I think alot of it has to do with looks and the male to female ratio in your area. When my second wife left me for the guy she was having an affair with I seriously considered prostitutes, thats how bleak the dating scene is for men in my area. I managed to keep from doing that and got lucky and found someone but women definitly hold all the cards.

I thought about starting a fake profile claiming to be a woman and post some photo of a somewhat attractive woman (not super hot but girl next door kind of thing) and see what my inbox looks like, I am guessing I will have 50-100 emails in a few weeks.

There seems to be no lack of opprotunity for women to cheat as there has not been a major war since vietnam that has claimed any real lives. Thats just the way it is until there is some event to thin out the number of men around. There are alot of men lurking out there that dont care if the woman is married, they will have sex with her because they are desperate. It is dog eat dog and the women have most of the cards.

In 2010 in the US, there were 97 men to every 100 women. Believe me, it is no "cake walk". On top of that, consider that there are more men than women on active duty (deported), more men than women in prisons, and far more women in church than men. For a Christian woman to find a good Christian man, it's nothing short of a miracle. It's easy for men - churches are full of beautiful Christian women who desire marriage.

As for cheating and using prostitutes, those are no-nos if you are a believer. There is absolutely no excuse for sexual immorality, whether you can find a spouse or not.
 
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Only beautiful and desirable women get inundated with emails, so maybe men struggle because they are all going for the above average woman. I know a lot of desirable men online get inundated as well. The better you come across, the more you get. And I have found that women tend to be more realistic about who they can "get" than men. An average or below average man will still try for the above average woman, but the average/below average woman will still choose within the realm of her reality. I am not saying that is true ALL the time - there are always the exceptions.
 
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Only beautiful and desirable women get inundated with emails, so maybe men struggle because they are all going for the above average woman. I know a lot of desirable men online get inundated as well. The better you come across, the more you get. And I have found that women tend to be more realistic about who they can "get" than men. An average or below average man will still try for the above average woman, but the average/below average woman will still choose within the realm of her reality. I am not saying that is true ALL the time - there are always the exceptions.

I wouldn't exactly go the route you have.

I would say that men tend to be the aggressive actuator in relationships moreso than women.

IOW women tend to watch more than men. They think about it longer than a guy does. A guy will look and see a pretty woman and act regardless of knowing anything about her. So the men may send more emails than a woman will...but women can act as well; especially when they see an opening of some kind for a dialogue.

And as far as "marrying up" or Dating out of your league?

Kinda judgmental there eh?

I would say that "water finds it's own level". IOW you date/marry who is more of an even match with your own emotional and psychological needs. Physical appearance or financial standing really doesn't hold much water at all.

As an "old guy" I have dated both ends of the financial and physical appearance spectrum. I have found happiness with someone that met my needs. Her physical appearance and financial status was unimportant. She isn't a trophy...she is a true friend.

That is the thing about single life that I personally hated the most. When I walked into the Single's class at church and listened to those in the room I noticed a subtle difference in the way and manner they spoke. I was so offended that I instantly prayed that I would not be like them. (Flirty and yet self focused at the same time...always trying to improve their appearance, financial status, and health as if they could improve on what they had to offer a potential mate...you know...add more to their "package" of benefits) Not once did I hear about how they wished to give more or do more giving or be more of a friend to anyone. Sure they had projects as a class but...it just was different.

And I had been in a married class before that...and I really noticed the difference. It was really glaring. Now I am married and visit the members of that class. We are all still friends. They see how happily married I am and simply don't understand and are jealous of the relationship that I have found.

One lady is especially jealous. In a lot of ways she resembles my wife. (similar careers and interests) She always dresses impeccably, has better financial status, has a theological degree, and was a beauty contest winner. But guess what? She didn't stand a chance against my wife. She still hasn't even gotten a date in the last three years of my marriage. My wife is the wife of Noble Character that is more precious than diamonds and rubies. Mainly because both of us weren't so much into improving our personal "total package" that we forgot to share ourselves. And who you are is more important than what you are in the scheme of relationships.
 
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And as far as "marrying up" or Dating out of your league?

Kinda judgmental there eh?

I would say that "water finds it's own level". IOW you date/marry who is more of an even match with your own emotional and psychological needs. Physical appearance or financial standing really doesn't hold much water at all.

Just saying what social psychology shows. People tend to marry those who are like them, and yes, this includes things like socioeconomic status and even appearance. If you do not fit that, then so be it. I am saying it is generally true. But you as a man are more able to date anyone from beauty contest winner to plain Jane simply because there are more women vying for your attention. You have more available fish in the pond to choose from. Women do not have that luxury. We have far more competition. Men have the option of marrying up a notch and do so more than women do, meaning women tend to marry down a notch more than men do. But mostly people marry within their notch.
 
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Just saying what social psychology shows. People tend to marry those who are like them, and yes, this includes things like socioeconomic status and even appearance. If you do not fit that, then so be it. I am saying it is generally true. But you as a man are more able to date anyone from beauty contest winner to plain Jane simply because there are more women vying for your attention. You have more available fish in the pond to choose from. Women do not have that luxury. We have far more competition. Men have the option of marrying up a notch and do so more than women do, meaning women tend to marry down a notch more than men do. But mostly people marry within their notch.

I was just trying to clarify what a "notch up" or a "notch down" really meant to you.

So you are basing it on worldly standards of Rich-Attractive being notched at the top and Homely-Poor at the bottom of the notch board. (all other attributes being mostly sidelined except for maybe education/intelligence levels)

OK...
I am clear now. And yeah...I am most likely an exception. I have 2 AOS degrees and an Apprenticeship certification (none of mine are related to each other) while my wife holds a Master's. What I earn in one week equals out to two weeks for her. I had no debts but she has school loan debt. There are many disparities between us that are just like this when looking at worldly standards(like age)...but we both share the same heart.

Neither one of us can see those when looking at the other one though...because we are both using the same heart. And that is what makes our marriage special and unique...the stuff that fantasies are made of.
 
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Kinda surprised by the activity around here-good:). Well, been awhile since I put that original post so as to update here goes:
Nope, no online dating or any dating since separation or in near future until officially divorced. I have to be very smart in this whole process because it involves custody of my children, separation of financial assets, and all the "other legalities".
And I guess I am guilty of trying to improve the "package". I've always like working out but since separating(and due to lots of stress!)I've actually lost some weight and got the 6 pack coming in. Have been working out pretty regular and have been upgrading my wardrobe. Been married for almost 20 years so I really lost touch with what it's like for a man to take real pride in his appearance and to learn to take care of himself:). Just basically want to get myself where I would like to stay from now on-so when I eventually meet women it will be who I am.
Also, I finally started getting back into my church and for the first time I feel no feelings like I shouldn't be there. Being from a horrible UY marriage and being in that lifestyle with my ex made me feel less than worthy so to speak(I know God accepts us-just using figure of speech). Also joined the Men's Bible Study class again so that aspect of my life is great.
Nowadays my focus is entirely on my two children, planning ahead for getting a more permanent residence, and moving forward with the divorce. ONE DAY AT A TIME!
When the time is right, GOD will find the woman for me-just have to wait on Him to decide for me:)!
 
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I've been single again for quite a long time (way toooo long, imo) and I won't date a man who is only seperated. He may think his marriage is over and there is no possibility of reconciliation but that doesn't mean God thinks the same. Until the divorce documents are signed, he's still married, in my mind.
 
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It's hard and confusing to go through a separation. However much you feel you need that kind of companionship, it would likely be a mistake at the moment. You need time to heal and re-learn who you are.

Make the most of your relationships with your friends, family and God. And be patient - it's normal to find things distressing and lonely during a break-up, but healing takes time.
 
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I am recently divorced as well. The temptation to seek a female companion was always there during the process. I even joined a couple of dating sites to "cast the line." I never met anyone, but was in communication with a few (at different times). Each time, something would be said or done to make me realize I wasn't ready.

What it really boils down to, though, is that it's not really fair to the next person that they should have to wait for you to truly be available. Now, obviously, you're not going to get married to someone on the first date anyway. But dating with the inability to get married is unsettling for both sides. Sure, they may be understanding, but that elephant is always in the room.
 
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Update: divorce was finalized and I did wait for that to happen before I did register for a couple of online dating sites. I do feel like the Lord is not wanting me to rush into anything at this time. I have two wonderful kids that I have really strengthened my relationship with during this divorce. I think at this time I will just make friendly contact and maybe later go out on a social date. I will also be completely honest of my situation that I am not ready to enter into anything serious but to take things slow and pray fomGod's guidance. Crazy the number of women who respond to my bio from other states! Always reminding myself that if I would like God to find me the perfect mate it will have to be through Him:)!
Thanks
 
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