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Oneness vs Trinity
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Dave01
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You will need to read the post again and compare it to the rules that are stickied at the top of this forum, which I posted in this thread.
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012:45;%20Colossians%202:9;%201%20Timothy%203:16&version=31
1. Anyone who looked on Jesus/ 'sees Jesus:' seen/ 'sees' the one who sent him.
2. All of the Godhead/ divinity dwells in him bodily.
3. Jesus equates to nothing less than God appearing in a body. I realize according to this translation it describes "He," however, this is under the Greek word theos: meaning "God."
To elaborate further on this concept. John 1:1, 14 express Jesus as the logos, the Greek translate of "word." Interestingly enough, the word logos does not point to a persona at all; but a "thought," "plan," "expression." etcetera.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians 2:20;Acts 4:11-12;&version=31;
If you need an explanation on this, I personally would have to say you have a problem with the english language, no offense
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Oh. You're focusing on the icon used itself; representing an individual on this site by faith: and not what was said specifically? Right?
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All that God is was in Jesus there was no part or identity of God that was not
present in Jesus.
Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 1:19
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Matthew 1:23
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they
shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and
believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not
imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of
reconciliation .
1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in
the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
1 John 5:20
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son
Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the
Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath
purchased with his own blood.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,
and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus is the Father:
John 8:24-27
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe
not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same
that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and
I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
John 14:10
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words
that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he
doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me
for the very works' sake.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be
upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty
God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 2:13
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children
which God hath given me.
Isaiah 8:18
18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for
wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
Revelation 21:6-7
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life
freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall
be my son.
1 John 3:1
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be
called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him
not.
1 John 3:5
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
There are not three Gods, three persons who each individually are God(s), or one
God who manifests as three different individuals. There is one God who is one
spirit and one individual.
Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deuteronomy 4:39
39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is
God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Deuteronomy 5:7
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord:
John 17:3
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Isaiah 43:3
3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for
thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 44:6
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am
the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have
declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no
God; I know not any.
Isaiah 45:5
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee,
though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 45:6
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is
none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:21
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath
declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the
LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
Isaiah 54:5
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer
the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Hosea 13:4
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but
me: for there is no saviour beside me.
God is called saviour, the only saviour, and there is no saviour besides Him.
Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 45:15
15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
Isaiah 45:21
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath
declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the
LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
Isaiah 54:5
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer
the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Hosea 13:4
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but
me: for there is no saviour beside me.
Luke 1:47
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
1 Timothy 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord
Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1 Timothy 2:3-5
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
Jesus;
1 Timothy 4:10
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the
living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Tit 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is
committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Titus 2:13
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and
our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 3:4
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Jud 1:
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and
power, both now and ever. Amen.
John 17:21
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they
also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
present in Jesus.
Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 1:19
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Matthew 1:23
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they
shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and
believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not
imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of
reconciliation .
1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in
the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
1 John 5:20
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son
Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the
Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath
purchased with his own blood.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,
and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus is the Father:
John 8:24-27
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe
not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same
that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and
I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
John 14:10
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words
that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he
doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me
for the very works' sake.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be
upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty
God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 2:13
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children
which God hath given me.
Isaiah 8:18
18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for
wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
Revelation 21:6-7
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life
freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall
be my son.
1 John 3:1
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be
called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him
not.
1 John 3:5
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
There are not three Gods, three persons who each individually are God(s), or one
God who manifests as three different individuals. There is one God who is one
spirit and one individual.
Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deuteronomy 4:39
39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is
God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Deuteronomy 5:7
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord:
John 17:3
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Isaiah 43:3
3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for
thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 44:6
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am
the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have
declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no
God; I know not any.
Isaiah 45:5
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee,
though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 45:6
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is
none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:21
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath
declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the
LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
Isaiah 54:5
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer
the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Hosea 13:4
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but
me: for there is no saviour beside me.
God is called saviour, the only saviour, and there is no saviour besides Him.
Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 45:15
15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
Isaiah 45:21
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath
declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the
LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me.
Isaiah 54:5
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer
the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Hosea 13:4
4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but
me: for there is no saviour beside me.
Luke 1:47
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
1 Timothy 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord
Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1 Timothy 2:3-5
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
Jesus;
1 Timothy 4:10
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the
living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Tit 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is
committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Titus 2:13
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and
our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 3:4
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Jud 1:
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and
power, both now and ever. Amen.
John 17:21
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they
also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
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Dave01
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I can't go about specifically saying that he is breaking rules on the forum here, so he will need to read the section himself and determine if he is. If he is unsure, he can contact a moderator to verify it, but I think the webmaster has made this quite specific here,..
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DiscipleDave
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Does Scriptures interpret Scriptures? Yes, where else in all of Scriptures does it refer to several different things becoming ONE?
Mt:19:5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mt:19:6: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mk:10:8: And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
1Cor:6:16: What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
Eph:5:31: For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Does Scriptures also teach that Jesus is ONE with the Father? Yes it does.
1Jn:5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
These Three, think about that for a moment. Scriptures teach us that there are three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, these are three, and these three are ONE, just as two are one, in a husband/wife marriage.
Rom:12:5: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Are we then ONE with Christ as it is written?
1Cor:10:17: For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
John 17:20: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21: That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Can we also be one with the Father? Scriptures interpret Scriptures. Husband and wife are one, yet they are separate from each other, nevertheless they are ONE. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are ONE, yet they are separate from each other, nevertheless they are ONE.
children can understand this, leave it to the learned to complicate such a simple thing as the Trinity.
In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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1 John 5:7 equals a 'no, no.' You should put some research into the manuscripts and its mention.
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