One thing I don't understand about the creationist position

[Astrid]

Over millions of years many places have once been submerged but that is not the same thing as a global flood.

" Facile" is not the same as " in depth
comprehension" either.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did we forget to read: "closed up the area with flesh."

Nope.

Not at all.

Just like I read where a dove brought back an olive leaf.

Which tells me that God cleaned up His mess.

Just like He did with Adam.

As a TE I am sure you do not want to know how I understand that verse.

Let me guess.

Adam, the son of God by creation ...

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

... has been replaced by y-Adam, our earliest known mutant copy-error ancestor, made in the image & likeness of God.

Right?

Although if you believe that everything happened in an instant then why would it matter how God made Eve from Adam?

It matters more than you think.

 

[AV1611VET]

What I think is that there was no Biblical Adam.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that when your watch stopped ticking?

That's when it began.

23 October 4004 BC

Do you understand what it means when they say time is relative?

Yes.

It means you can't inject science into the Creation Week and expect everything to work out.

Einstein determined ...

Einstein / Schmimestein

Einstein's in Aitch now.

Let him RIP.

 

[AV1611VET]

Grand canyon!

Came after the Flood.

Clams on Everest!

Yup.

Flash frozen mammoths in Siberia!

Came after the Flood.

 

[dlamberth]

I think we are probably saying the same thing. Most (all?) flood arguments I have seen attribute the bulk of the Phanerozoic (Cambrian forwards) deposits to the flood. So, in that sense, ground level goes way down the geological column. That's how they (claim to) explain the distribution of different fossils within the column.

I'm looking more at surface evidence like scablands from rushing water, the Columbia River Gorge type if geology, erosion of hills which have a distinct rushing water type of geology, giant current ripples, water level flood marks on hills and mountains, locations, and size as well as types of loads of flood sediments left behind, source of flood water, those types of visible evidence.

The Ice Age Flood happened 12,000 years ago and there is still lots of visible evidence everywhere. If, and that's a pretty big "IF", a Global flood actually happened a mere 4000 years ago, all of the Ice Age flood evidence would all be washed away by the imagined proceding world wide flood. Not only that, but we would see clear evidance of that flood everywhere we looked. There's no way to visibally hide a water event that huge and angery.

Washington scablands after Ice Age Floods:
Channeled Scablands

Video of ripples left behind from Ice Age Flood:

Columbia River Gorge:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recmain/crgnsa/recreation

 

[AV1611VET]

There's no way to visibally hide a water event that huge and angery.

You play the "there's no way" card often.

As if it means something.

 

[dlamberth]

Would you like to look at Florida, the Pacific Islands or the Rockey mountains for evidence of a global flood?

How are any of these evidence of a global flood?

We are told that the mountains were covered, are we not?

Nope. The geology shows some, like Mt Everest are the result of plates crashing together pushing underwater land up into mountains. I know the argument of marine creatures found on Mt. Everest. But those who argue that those are from the Noah's Flood would have to explain the sticky problem that they are from the Ordovican Period, 450 Million years ago.

What the Bible does not talk about is that much of the water was frozen.

?

 

[dlamberth]

You play the "there's no way" card often.

As if it means something.

I know not to you. But that means nothing to me.

 

[Astrid]

I'm looking more at surface evidence like scablands from rushing water, the Columbia River Gorge type if geology, erosion of hills which have a distinct rushing water type of geology, giant current ripples, water level flood marks on hills and mountains, locations, and size as well as types of loads of flood sediments left behind, source of flood water, those types of visible evidence.

The Ice Age Flood happened 12,000 years ago and there is still lots of visible evidence everywhere. If, and that's a pretty big "IF", a Global flood actually happened a mere 4000 years ago, all of the Ice Age flood evidence would all be washed away by the imagined proceding world wide flood. Not only that, but we would see clear evidance of that flood everywhere we looked. There's no way to visibally hide a water event that huge and angery.

Washington scablands after Ice Age Floods:
Channeled Scablands

Video of ripples left behind from Ice Age Flood:

Columbia River Gorge:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recmain/crgnsa/recreation

Scientific illiteracy is very nearly universal when it
comes to reading a landscape.

Photos like that have no more meaning than
sanskrit writings to the uneducated.

These same people, rather weirdly,
feel they are in a position to educate those
of us who've spent so many hours in library
Lab, lecture and field- and are actually interested
in the subject!

A droll side note is that anyone could manage
such monstrous self deception as to think that
via the absurd route of no study at all, they
know more than every scientist on earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

A droll side note is that anyone could manage such monstrous self deception as to think that via the absurd route of no study at all, they know more than every scientist on earth.

Smart cookies, ain't they?

 

[Ace777]

How are any of these evidence of a global flood?

There are those who argue that Pangea was not a flood. One way or the other the world was still destroyed. Clearly the fountains of the deep and the windows of Heaven were effected. Dinosaurs died off while primates and mammals began to grow and expand. Even at the time the sky was pink and not blue as it is now. The dinosaurs in the Rocky Mountains died in a flood and are found in flood deposits.

 

[Ace777]

Smart cookies, ain't they?

People know what they know but they do not know what they think they know.

 

[Ace777]

You play the "there's no way" card often.

They like to play the joker card.

 

[Ophiolite]

I'm looking more at surface evidence like scablands from rushing water, the Columbia River Gorge type if geology, erosion of hills which have a distinct rushing water type of geology, giant current ripples, water level flood marks on hills and mountains, locations, and size as well as types of loads of flood sediments left behind, source of flood water, those types of visible evidence.

The Ice Age Flood happened 12,000 years ago and there is still lots of visible evidence everywhere. If, and that's a pretty big "IF", a Global flood actually happened a mere 4000 years ago, all of the Ice Age flood evidence would all be washed away by the imagined proceding world wide flood. Not only that, but we would see clear evidance of that flood everywhere we looked. There's no way to visibally hide a water event that huge and angery.

Washington scablands after Ice Age Floods:
Channeled Scablands

Video of ripples left behind from Ice Age Flood:

Columbia River Gorge:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/recmain/crgnsa/recreation

Of course, you are right. I had overlooked that set of alleged "evidence". As @Astrid remarks somehow certain people imagine themselves endowed with a knowledge about the tale told by rocks without having intimately studied those rocks.
There is nothing wrong with ignorance, since we are all ignorant of vastly more than we have knowledge of. The trick is to recognise, for ourselves, what aspects of the world fit into which category: ignorant of/knowledgeable about. For example, you will never see me commenting, with any confidence, on embroidery in 13th century Madrid. (The closest I can get is to tell you that the famed Bayeux tapestry, located in Normandy, is not a tapestry but an embroidery. Quite a different matter!)

 

[AV1611VET]

There are those who argue that Pangea was not a flood. One way or the other the world was still destroyed. Clearly the fountains of the deep and the windows of Heaven were effected. Dinosaurs died off while primates and mammals began to grow and expand. Even at the time the sky was pink and not blue as it is now. The dinosaurs in the Rocky Mountains died in a flood and are found in flood deposits.

Do you think T. Rex was on the Ark?

 

[AV1611VET]

People know what they know but they do not know what they think they know.

That's one way to put it!

 

[Astrid]

Of course, you are right. I had overlooked that set of alleged "evidence". As @Astrid remarks somehow certain people imagine themselves endowed with a knowledge about the tale told by rocks without having intimately studied those rocks.
There is nothing wrong with ignorance, since we are all ignorant of vastly more than we have knowledge of. The trick is to recognise, for ourselves, what aspects of the world fit into which category: ignorant of/knowledgeable about. For example, you will never see me commenting, with any confidence, on embroidery in 13th century Madrid. (The closest I can get is to tell you that the famed Bayeux tapestry, located in Normandy, is not a tapestry but an embroidery. Quite a different matter!)

I'm seriously clueless about Russian poetry. Is there such a thing?

There's a lot wrong with ignorance when
it's willful and negligent. ( see " hike")

Kids die because of religious beliefs / willful
ignorance. ( see transfusions, antivax)

Promoting ignorance and superstition,
promoting anti intellectualism ( aka
intellectual dishonesty) is irresponsible and bad.

The perps of course take pride in such base and ignoble
behaviour, and will attack me for expressing myself,
on the phony basis that i am trying to destroy Christianity.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There are those who argue that Pangea was not a flood. One way or the other the world was still destroyed. Clearly the fountains of the deep and the windows of Heaven were effected. Dinosaurs died off while primates and mammals began to grow and expand. Even at the time the sky was pink and not blue as it is now. The dinosaurs in the Rocky Mountains died in a flood and are found in flood deposits.

That's quite a bunch of claims. Do you have any evidence for any of it?

For starters:

A. Provide a source for your claim that Rocky Mountain dinos died in a flood.

B. Provide a source for your claim that the sky was pink.

 

[AV1611VET]

A. Provide a source for your claim that Rocky Mountain dinos died in a flood.

Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: