I read a post recently titled "the main reason why I am atheist" or something like that, so I wanted to do something similar. This isn't like the other though, just hear me out (or read me out, whatever)
This isnt why I became atheist or the reason I am still atheist, but it is a contributing factor and a question that christianity cannot possible answer because, basicly there is no answer. That is to say, it is impossible to present an answer that truely satisfied the question. I'll continue.
Where did god exist before he created everything else in existence.
Similarly, When did god come into existence?
What created god, or where did god come from?
The common answers to these questions are along the lines of "god is eternal, he has always existed, he is infinite, nothing created him he just exists, god exists outside of time and space, ect..."
The problem with these answers are easy to see. If god exists outside of time and space that is to say, god lived... nowhere.
Similarly if time didn't exist before god created it, god himself would have been stuck in a single moment and unable to DO anything. God existing, god creating time.... those are two consecutive events. in order for two events to occur one after the other, time has to exist for the first event to happen BEFORE the second. god could not have created time after he existed, that being before time existed, then created time. Its an endless loop paradox.
Now about what created god. I have heard a thousand times theists claiming that everything is too complex for it to have simply happened, It had to have been created. If this is true, then god must be more complex than what he has created. To suggest that he is less complex than what he created could be argued that he must be less perfect, to say he is more complex could be argued that he is less perfect. Which is more perfect, complexity above what he created or simplicity below what he created. The fact that those two points CAN be argued suggests that the very concept of a perfect being is impossible. Neither tells where god came from though.
God always existed, he never DIDNT exist? why cant you just say the same thing about time, space, and matter? That eliminates the extra step (god) and is much more simple. saying that something so complex as the universe must mean it was created just adds one more step which amplifies the complexity, that brings the question of what creted the creator, which just adds another step of complexity. It will never end if you say that complexity requires creation.
This isnt why I became atheist or the reason I am still atheist, but it is a contributing factor and a question that christianity cannot possible answer because, basicly there is no answer. That is to say, it is impossible to present an answer that truely satisfied the question. I'll continue.
Where did god exist before he created everything else in existence.
Similarly, When did god come into existence?
What created god, or where did god come from?
The common answers to these questions are along the lines of "god is eternal, he has always existed, he is infinite, nothing created him he just exists, god exists outside of time and space, ect..."
The problem with these answers are easy to see. If god exists outside of time and space that is to say, god lived... nowhere.
Similarly if time didn't exist before god created it, god himself would have been stuck in a single moment and unable to DO anything. God existing, god creating time.... those are two consecutive events. in order for two events to occur one after the other, time has to exist for the first event to happen BEFORE the second. god could not have created time after he existed, that being before time existed, then created time. Its an endless loop paradox.
Now about what created god. I have heard a thousand times theists claiming that everything is too complex for it to have simply happened, It had to have been created. If this is true, then god must be more complex than what he has created. To suggest that he is less complex than what he created could be argued that he must be less perfect, to say he is more complex could be argued that he is less perfect. Which is more perfect, complexity above what he created or simplicity below what he created. The fact that those two points CAN be argued suggests that the very concept of a perfect being is impossible. Neither tells where god came from though.
God always existed, he never DIDNT exist? why cant you just say the same thing about time, space, and matter? That eliminates the extra step (god) and is much more simple. saying that something so complex as the universe must mean it was created just adds one more step which amplifies the complexity, that brings the question of what creted the creator, which just adds another step of complexity. It will never end if you say that complexity requires creation.
I guess that might be true if logic was an overriding factor here. The older you get, the more you realize that as wonderful as it is, not everything in life can be addressed by science and logical rationality.
