ONE LIE TO RULE THEM ALL

[Philip4Jesus]

I am not sure if this is the best place to post this ,.. as it could have been posted in a varity of forum sections. I do hope and pray that this with strengthen and encourge you in your Christianly walk. I would use some caution / biblical discernment( as you should with everything you find on the internet) as you read through this website, as I have not even looked at/ read everything contained in it. I just thought the opening poem and biblical quote was kind of cool and powerful( but that's just my opinion)

 

[One Son of Many]

disturbing webpage......



.......In the end times, good will be considered evil, and evil will be considered good.

Anyone know where I may be able to find this in the Bible?

 

[Philip4Jesus]

I am responding to my own post because I want to call more attention to it.

I know that the website is rather large but I think if you scroll down the page and read the section tiltled " Unity at the expense of Truth" and right below that " But even Jesus spoke of Unity" I think you will get a general idea of what it webpage discusses.

The main reason I did decided to mention this website is because I am suprised and alarmed at how many " Christians" think that there are many ways to heaven and people who identify themselves as " Christians" but don't believe Jesus is God.

Lastly , I know that this is kind of off of the subject ..., but why does it seem like more and more Christians are compromise core Christian teachings/beliefs ??? Is it just me that notices this?? People seem to be more and more doubting the bible/christianity and turning away from it . ( atleast that has been my observations) Any Ideas on why this is happening???

Your comments/insight is welcomed and wanted..., about either the website or my questions/comments.

 

[William Nunn]

You are not alone in noticing this Phillip. I mean, just look at this forum where there are "christians" who concur with the evolutionists that the book of Genesis isn't reliable, that it is just a set of fables. Many here are offended by the mere mention that homosexuality is wrong. Many here so no problem at all with indulging in the ways of the world - and think that anyone who doesn't is just a narrow-minded prick. Well, call me a narrow-minded prick then!

I think that these so-called christians are a device of Satan, used to cause the gradual growth of the tolerance of the churches for sin and evil. I mean, you can obviously see the effects today. It's just so sad that many can't see it, especially when it is wrriten clearly in the Bible that all this would happen.

 

[gusto5]

yes...the word "Christian" is used too freely by many and sometimes they give Christians a really bad impression upon others. Keep patient and stand strong for one day Jesus Shall Return. For it shall be the Return Of the King.

 

[Salvatore Gonzales]

I was in Chicago back in '93 or '94 when one of these
huge universal religion things took place.

On the topic of gay marriage, we've had a really
hot thread on that issue:
http://www.christianforums.com/t89099

 

[jbarcher]

.......In the end times, good will be considered evil, and evil will be considered good.

Anyone know where I may be able to find this in the Bible?

Hm...in the OT, Isaiah 5:20 says something like, "Woe to those that call evil good and good evil..."

But in the NT, I think I can find something clearer...

Oh wait, I don't have my Bible here. Sorry.

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The site seems to be talking about the modern idea of 'tolerance'. That is, mere mindless acceptance of all and everything dared...to quote from The Harmony Institute, "We believe the world would be a more peaceful place if more people realized how much the religions agree and share."

I think the saying goes, "ignorance is bliss." This is ignorance.

 

[Philip4Jesus]

You are not alone in noticing this Phillip. I mean, just look at this forum where there are "christians" who concur with the evolutionists that the book of Genesis isn't reliable, that it is just a set of fables. Many here are offended by the mere mention that homosexuality is wrong. Many here so no problem at all with indulging in the ways of the world - and think that anyone who doesn't is just a narrow-minded prick. Well, call me a narrow-minded prick then!

I think that these so-called christians are a device of Satan, used to cause the gradual growth of the tolerance of the churches for sin and evil. I mean, you can obviously see the effects today. It's just so sad that many can't see it, especially when it is wrriten clearly in the Bible that all this would happen.

I think you are right William Nunn , and I would agree with you. Also I think Satan does uses people to deceive other people and that there are alot of false Christians( if you go to my other post , "beware of the deceivers ", I mention that in that post a little as well) . I would agree with gusto5 as well ...., I do think that the term or title of Christian is used too freely. I think that that there are alot of false Christians here. By that I mean they really have no real understanding of what it means to be a Christian or how they are to live and they are uncertain of what they beleive but the apply the title Christian to themselves. ( for what reason , I do not know)

I tend to think that the majority of Christians that come here are Lukewarm Christians who tolerate to much sinfulness, or at least it seems that way, If you look through the sections of this forum , the Christian sections, one comes across questions that seem to be seeking lopeholes in GODS word so that they can sin. An example would be the masturbation question , that has been mentioned several times( if not more that that) and if you read through the conversation it seems as if these so called christians are looking for lopehole so that they can continue sinning, Its kind of sad actually, they don't come here to expand their knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ/GOD but to look for some confirmation that their sinning really isn't that bad.

Kind of like William Nunn mentioned many here want the best of both worlds , they have no problem with the induliges of the world yet they want eternal life as well but do not want to commit to the Lord Jesus Christ.

I come here , as a true believer , and what very limited time I do spend here I spend trying to encourage those that do really , honestly and sincerely want to Know the Lord Jesus Christ and maybe learn a little something from them as well, and to lift up the Lord Jesus Christ name, as a true Christian should do..

But unfortunately, I think most come here only to chat and to be part of a group and not to expand there knowlegde of and relatioship with Lord Jesus Christ . Many, many sinful False Christians are here.

Those are my observations and unfortunately I think that they are more true that even I realize. If what I have said has offended you or caused you to want to beat me or do me physical harm...(yes , that has happened before, I have had other Christians threaten me with physical harm/ a beating because of what I said , because I pointed out their sinfulness as I am somewhat doing here ) then so be it. I would much rather take the beating than to compromise Godly , Biblical truths and promote sinfulness and disobedience to/toward/against GOD.

In conclusion , ask yourself this..., can you really expect a "Christian" forum which allows atheists to bash Christian Beliefs to be all that Christianly??? No , I don't think so. Also there are far better ways to develope and expand your knowlegde and relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ/GOD than to come here. Just something to think about.

 

[Buck72]

Wow. This is right on. I am besought with so many opposing the Gospel for this ecumenical filth. We, as members of His Body must hold to the faithful word with all we have to hold with. The consequence is too great.

 

[UberLutheran]

I do think that the term or title of Christian is used too freely. I think that that there are alot of false Christians here. By that I mean they really have no real understanding of what it means to be a Christian or how they are to live and they are uncertain of what they beleive but the apply the title Christian to themselves. ( for what reason , I do not know)

What, exactly, do you believe one must believe in order to be a "true Christian". Meaning -- if one of the things you state is missing, that person CANNOT be a "True Christian".

I tend to think that the majority of Christians that come here are Lukewarm Christians who tolerate to much sinfulness, or at least it seems that way, If you look through the sections of this forum , the Christian sections, one comes across questions that seem to be seeking lopeholes in GODS word so that they can sin. An example would be the masturbation question , that has been mentioned several times( if not more that that) and if you read through the conversation it seems as if these so called christians are looking for lopehole so that they can continue sinning, Its kind of sad actually, they don't come here to expand their knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ/GOD but to look for some confirmation that their sinning really isn't that bad.

Question: what part of Romans 2:1-4 does not apply to you?

 

[Angeldove97]

I loved that link! And it has so much truth in it as well...I even put it in my aim profile. I also thought it was cool cause I'm into the LOTR stuff....but its a reminder to us Christians that we're going to have to stand up for our faith eventually. But are we ready? I also think that alot of us are lukewarm Christians because we think we're ready to go through anything for our God but when the trails come, who are we first to blame bad things on and also with some of the questions asked on this site, such as Philip brought up, what do they have to do with Christian fellowship!?! How we can have debates over things that are clearly stated as wrong in the Bible....regardless of if you're a female or male...is beyond my understanding. I don't think we're personally calling any one here a bad Christian because I know for a fact that none of us are perfect and I am very very far from being perfect. I'm sorry but a lot of the stuff that Philip stated, I would have to agree with. I take no offense in a fellow Brother or Sister telling me straight out what they find fault in with my ways as long as they can back it up with the Bible and I would take that as good friendly advice in improving my relationship with God. As for the true Christian thing, I believe that's all correct because if you're not Jewish or Muslim, or some other religion, you usually just call yourself Christian and it's because your family celebrates Christmas. I don't want to offend anyone here, but it's time we started helping ourselves first to become better Christians and not get so offended if a Brother or Sister feels like pointing out something to us about our faith. That's how we learn. And as long as we don't go on sinning and yet teaching others not to sin, I don't think those vereses are pretaining to us. For example, if you were very big on finding fault in the type of friends a person chose to have, yet you didn't have well-moraled friends either, that would be where the passages came in to play. But if you're helping another person see that those friends are harming them in their faith, I find that perfectly fine. well at least that's what i believe

 

[Philip4Jesus]

What, exactly, do you believe one must believe in order to be a "true Christian". Meaning -- if one of the things you state is missing, that person CANNOT be a "True Christian".



Question: what part of Romans 2:1-4 does not apply to you?

UberLutheran- I am cautious about answering your question/s, the way you have phrased it, makes me I think that the first is question intended to " trap" me , or is a question which leads into a debate and I have no interest or intention of debating. However I think if you read my posts under the thread ' Beware of the Deceivers" (which I started as well) in this same section ( Deeper Fellowship) of the CF , I think you might get a better idea of what I believe a Christian should be and how one should reflect those beliefs in their daily living and living in general.


Also let me point out that everyone who has posted a comment in response to my threads ( One Lie To Rule Them All and Beware Of The Deceivers) has agreed with me in general, so that tells me that I must be correct in my statements ( actually I know I am) So , like I said if you will read through my posts in the thread " Beware of the Deceivers "( if you have already not done so) that might answer your questions.

 

[UberLutheran]

UberLutheran- I am cautious about answering your question/s, the way you have phrased it, makes me I think that the first is question intended to " trap" me , or is a question which leads into a debate and I have no interest or intention of debating. However I think if you read my posts under the thread ' Beware of the Deceivers" (which I started as well) in this same section ( Deeper Fellowship) of the CF , I think you might get a better idea of what I believe a Christian should be and how one should reflect those beliefs in their daily living and living in general.

No, just answer the question.

Also let me point out that everyone who has posted a comment in response to my threads ( One Lie To Rule Them All and Beware Of The Deceivers) has agreed with me in general, so that tells me that I must be correct in my statements ( actually I know I am) So , like I said if you will read through my posts in the thread " Beware of the Deceivers "( if you have already not done so) that might answer your questions.

SLIPPERY SLOPE! A great many Germans (and Austrians) fully agreed with Hitler and the policies of the Nazi Party -- which exterminated 6 million Jews and another 14 million other people, besides setting off to conquer Europe for the "master race" and touching off the worst war the world has ever seen!

Many people in this country agreed with the President and his advisors that we should invade Iraq to remove "weapons of mass destruction". We now know that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction, and the Mr. Bush had planned to invade Iraq on any pretext within the first week of taking office.

The Sanhedrin all agreed that Jesus needed to be executed, lest Rome get involved with a possible invasion (and all that entailed). THEY were wrong.

The fact that people may agree with you does NOT necessarily mean "you're right."

 

[Philip4Jesus]

Well, to answer your question - UberLutheran- A true Christian is one first of all one that believes in Jesus Christ and believes that Jesus is GOD. A christian is someone who is truely obedient to Christ - someone who takes the Scriptures to heart and attempts to live them . To be a Christian is to stand apart - to dare to be different, not to try to find excuses to keep on sinning( as is common in this forum) but to avoid sinfulness.


On common thought " Christians " seem to have nowdays is " Hey, I have accepted Jesus, now I can sin all I want" Nothing could be more wrong.
A Christian is someone who is a truely repantant person, one who is sorry for his/her rebellion , desires change, and wants forgiveness , can get right with God because of the Blessed Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. " But its's OK to sin"!? they say. Yikes! Throughout the Bible , people are exhorted to clean up their act. Jesus Himself says " Be perfect, as your Father in heaven Who is perfect" To the woman caught in adultery, He didn't say " Keep on doing what your doing , there's nothing wrong with it" He said " GO NOW AND SIN NO MORE" That is not a suggestion , it a command . I am doing the same thing here , I am telling people to sin no more, not to tolerate sin. James writes that " Faith without works is dead." Evidently , although we are not saved by our behavior , it is , nevertheless, of great importance to Him that we obey.

One thing I hear , that is common is " I don't want to offend anyone" . All I have to say to that is get a backbone, stand up for what is Biblical right/correct and refuse to compromise.
Christianity is not a popularity contest, like I stated above , its about standing out, being different , being , in some sence being a reflection of GOD, don't care if you offend anyone ( other Christians)while you are trying correct their misguided ideas about certain aspects of Christian living and following after GOD.

I read through these forums and I "hear" "christians" asking ... " is it alright to lie under these circumstances?" "Can I keep on masturbating?" I'm paraphrasing of course.., or I hear something like .. I'm a homosexual and a Christian. A homosexual and a Christian!??? I don't think so , homosexuality and Christianity mix like oil and water..., they don't. Either you are a Christian or your not .., there is no middle ground , no and's , if's or ' buts, . And the above statements which where found in this forum doesn't sound like repentance to me, these people don't sound like they are truly sorry for their sins , they sound like the a looking for some confrimation to keep on doing what they are doing , they have no desire to change.

Jesus told people not to sin anymore and that is what I am doing as well, like Jesus , I don't care if I offend people ( unlike alot of Christians) Jesus never went around saying " well I know it is a bit harsh, what I have just spoken..., so let me change it so it makes you feel better about yourselfs, how does this sound...." Did Jesus ever do that? .. no ...He apologized for nothing , He tolerated no sin , and that is the way it should be ( in some sense) So , should we as Christian tolerate any sin, weither it be lying, sexual sin, stealing, etc... No I don't think so . And if we see another Christian sinning or caught up in sinfulness are we to look the other way and ignore it ?.. No , we are to correct them ... for their own good.


Well , UberLutheran, that is how I feel about what a Christian is and how one should behave and not to be rude , but if I have offended you or other Christian's here, by pointing out sinfullness and flawed christian thinking( tolerance) .. well.. too bad.

 

[CeCe]

About all I can add to that Philip4Jesus is an Amen.
I'm finding myself increasingly frustrated by the compromising and lukewarmness I'm encountering on a daily basis.

Jesus said we are either for Him or against Him. I haven't found anything in the Bible about how much sin we can "get away with and still be saved". Because it doesn't exist.

I'm seeing a lot of people on the internet (and in the real world too) who think they can just add Jesus to their life. And call on Him when it suits their purpose. It's really troubling. I'm a long long way from perfect, let me tell ya. But I can't just add Him in. I gave Him my life. It ain't much, but it's His.

I've got a lot of praying to do. I'm not sure about a lot of places on the net anymore.

God bless you.

 

[Ktistes]

Amen, to all said here, i totally agree with you Phillip4Jesus.
that's all i see here is endless debates about sinning, about things that have no part in serving God.
they build their whole beleif around their sin, they just fit Gods word in to suit them.
why these debates about themselves, why not try to help others, why not try to help others overcome their sins instead of being obsessed with condoning their own.
they can't see past their own sin, sin is what keeps us from God, if they're not prepared to repent then how can they be of God.
they doubt the whole bible when it condemns them, but as soon as someone offers them an excuse they're all to willing to beleive it as truth.
they freely accept mountains of excuses from websites dedicated to condoning their sins, but they can't when it comes to the word of God which is proven as truth to the true beleiver.

 

[Silver Saint]

And brovo again! You've done me a great service in showing me this. I've voiced many of the same concerns, but lacked the scripture to back it up. Oh, this helps me so much, thank you again for showing it to me.
I would rather we all die than we be silenced.



I am aware,
Isacc

 

[One Son of Many]

I've found myself being pulled into those circumstances.......(I apologize if i've offended....) But you're right! Why apologize? Right is right and wrong needs prayed for.....I've quit visiting some of these forums because of those things you've stated on how people want to find "loopholes" or twist words to suit their 'needs'....errr, sins. It seems like no matter what you tell them, no matter the proof in scripture, they will always try and justify a 'wrongness'.

Maybe I'm wrong for turning my back on those forums. Maybe I should stay in them and fight and argue for what is right.....and to the winds on being offensive and apologizing....right is right. I get frustrated way too easy, a weakness I need prayer for.

 

[princess_ballet]

We now know that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction, and the Mr. Bush had planned to invade Iraq on any pretext within the first week of taking office.

What a bunch ****! Yeah, Bush really wanted to invade Iraq for no reason, you know, just for the heck of it! Get real!

 

[looksgood]

Philip...PERFACTLY PUT!!!

LOL, would like to say more but...lol you covered all the bases.