One Gospel for all, take it or leave it.

[k4c]

It was by grace that God chose a people in the Old Testament to reveal His charater and will to a fallen world. It was through these choosen people that God gave His will seen in His Law. It was through these people that God gave the shadows that painted a picture of God's saving work through the life, death and words of Jesus. Because of this, these people thought they had an advantage over all other people. They became proud and self righteous and very exclusive.

When Jesus came He broke down that wall of division making two people into one people. In Christ there is no more Jew and Gentile or us against them. All are counted as sinners and as a sinner, we are all on equal ground and void of boasting.

Through the Gospel of Christ we can have forgiveness of that sin that brings equality to all. Just as we are all sinners on equal ground without Jesus we can all be righteous on equal ground with Jesus. Through Jesus we can have the Law influencing the inward man in the heart through love and peace with God rather than an outward influence of the Law through fear of punishment in the judgment.

1 John 4:17-18 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world. There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Through the indwelling of the Spirit everyone can know God on a personal level, everyone can know the will of God not just the people God chose in Old Testament times.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,'' says the Lord. "For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.''

Hebrews 8:10-12 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.''

If you can't see this or have not made peace with God through Jesus and allowed God to write His Law in your heart in order that it manifest itself in our lives as love for God and love for others then you are still in your sin and against God.

Romans 8:7 Because the old sinful nature within us is against God. It never did obey God's laws and it never will.

If this is you then you have no business teaching or preaching. You have no business trying to lead people in the ways of God when you have no light in you. You cannot do the will of God if you resist that which defines the will of God. You can't love God or neighbor if you refuse that standard by which God defines godly love. You cannot do rightousness if you're an enemy of that which reveals righteousness.

Pray for forgiveness and maybe, through God's grace and mercy, He will grant you the gift of repentence.

 

[Joe67]

It was by grace that God chose a people in the Old Testament to reveal His charater and will to a fallen world. It was through these choosen people that God gave His will seen in His Law. It was through these people that God gave the shadows that painted a picture of God's saving work through the life, death and words of Jesus. Because of this, these people thought they had an advantage over all other people. They became proud and self righteous and very exclusive.

When Jesus came He broke down that wall of division making two people into one people. In Christ there is no more Jew and Gentile or us against them. All are counted as sinners and as a sinner, we are all on equal ground and void of boasting.

Through the Gospel of Christ we can have forgiveness of that sin that brings equality to all. Just as we are all sinners on equal ground without Jesus we can all be righteous on equal ground with Jesus. Through Jesus we can have the Law influencing the inward man in the heart through love and peace with God rather than an outward influence of the Law through fear of punishment in the judgment.

1 John 4:17-18 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world. There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Through the indwelling of the Spirit everyone can know God on a personal level, everyone can know the will of God not just the people God chose in Old Testament times.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,'' says the Lord. "For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.''

Hebrews 8:10-12 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.''

If you can't see this or have not made peace with God through Jesus and allowed God to write His Law in your heart in order that it manifest itself in our lives as love for God and love for others then you are still in your sin and against God.

Romans 8:7 Because the old sinful nature within us is against God. It never did obey God's laws and it never will.

If this is you then you have no business teaching or preaching. You have no business trying to lead people in the ways of God when you have no light in you. You cannot do the will of God if you resist that which defines the will of God. You can't love God or neighbor if you refuse that standard by which God defines godly love. You cannot do rightousness if you're an enemy of that which reveals righteousness.

Pray for forgiveness and maybe, through God's grace and mercy, He will grant you the gift of repentence.

k4c,

The gospel was preached to the 12 tribes at Mt. Sinai. They did not hear the faith part. They heard the words. Just like some today read the words. When the law is mixed with faith, repentance occurs like with Moses who trembled at the voice of the Lord.

The 12 tribes drew back from their feelings of death. Repentance brings feelings of sorrow and anguish that seem like death to us.

The Christian community at large, when even includes SdAs, are drawing back from the experience of repentance, and seeking/claiming miracles and/or financial comfort as evidence that they are just with God.

I joined the SdA church in 1954 at the age of 12. There is a vast difference between then and now. Even what you have posted in this thread, would be offensive at the local SdA churches with which I am familiar. Science and philosophy have usurped the authority of Moses, the prophets, Psalms, teachings of Jesus, the Son of God who is pleasing to him, and the apostles that Jesus sent out into the world.

Repentance is an unwanted message. Sin, righteousness and judgment are unwanted messages. Those who minister through the blood of Jesus are being despised more and more.

Joe

 

[bloodbought09]

k4c,

The gospel was preached to the 12 tribes at Mt. Sinai. They did not hear the faith part. They heard the words. Just like some today read the words. When the law is mixed with faith, repentance occurs like with Moses who trembled at the voice of the Lord.

The 12 tribes drew back from their feelings of death. Repentance brings feelings of sorrow and anguish that seem like death to us.

The Christian community at large, when even includes SdAs, are drawing back from the experience of repentance, and seeking/claiming miracles and/or financial comfort as evidence that they are just with God.

I joined the SdA church in 1954 at the age of 12. There is a vast difference between then and now. Even what you have posted in this thread, would be offensive at the local SdA churches with which I am familiar. Science and philosophy have usurped the authority of Moses, the prophets, Psalms, teachings of Jesus, the Son of God who is pleasing to him, and the apostles that Jesus sent out into the world.

Repentance is an unwanted message. Sin, righteousness and judgment are unwanted messages. Those who minister through the blood of Jesus are being despised more and more.

Joe

The law and the commandments were preached from mount sinai. If grace was preached there, why would Jesus preach grace to those who were in prison? The law brings to our knowledge that we have sinned against God, repentance is given through mercy, where Jesus Christ died so that we might not perish through belief in Him. He died for our sins and shed His blood so that we may be healed and find reconciliation to God and be washed from our sins. The word also cleanses and renews our minds. He also brings peace through His shed blood, for He is the Prince of Peace. It is true that perfect love casts out fear. It is God's perfect love that casts out the spirit of fear. He does not give us the spirit of fear, but power, love, and a sound mind.

Bless.

 

[Cribstyl]

The law and the commandments were preached from mount sinai. If grace was preached there, why would Jesus preach grace to those who were in prison? The law brings to our knowledge that we have sinned against God, repentance is given through mercy, where Jesus Christ died so that we might not perish through belief in Him. He died for our sins and shed His blood so that we may be healed and find reconciliation to God and be washed from our sins. The word also cleanses and renews our minds. He also brings peace through His shed blood, for He is the Prince of Peace. It is true that perfect love casts out fear. It is God's perfect love that casts out the spirit of fear. He does not give us the spirit of fear, but power, love, and a sound mind.

Bless.

Unadulterated truth, I give you Five starz

 

[wanelad]

"The word also cleanses and renews our minds"

Thus dilligently read Gods word and pray in Gods Spirit so that our minds can be renewed.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

Walk in righteousness Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,

Confess your sins and walk in faith

Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
Heb 12:5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.
Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives."
Heb 12:7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
Heb 12:8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.


Listen to what he has to say to the 7 Churches Rev Ch 2-3

 

[Cribstyl]

It was by grace that God chose a people in the Old Testament to reveal His charater and will to a fallen world. It was through these choosen people that God gave His will seen in His Law. It was through these people that God gave the shadows that painted a picture of God's saving work through the life, death and words of Jesus. Because of this, these people thought they had an advantage over all other people. They became proud and self righteous and very exclusive.

That questionable........ God chose Abraham and made a covenant with him. The law came in order for God to keep His promises to Abraham. The law came 430yrs after, because of trangression of the people in the dessert.
If the promise was dependant on the law, then God's promises was conditional and therefore worthless.

When Jesus came He broke down that wall of division making two people into one people. In Christ there is no more Jew and Gentile or us against them. All are counted as sinners and as a sinner, we are all on equal ground and void of boasting.

What was this "wall of division" between these two people that you call "broken down" to make one people?
Texts seems to say, it's the whole law they had recieve from God.
Eph 2:15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

Col 2:11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Through the Gospel of Christ we can have forgiveness of that sin that brings equality to all. Just as we are all sinners on equal ground without Jesus we can all be righteous on equal ground with Jesus. Through Jesus we can have the Law influencing the inward man in the heart through love and peace with God rather than an outward influence of the Law through fear of punishment in the judgment.

1 John 4:17-18 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world. There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love.

That scriptures are not talking about the law, you are.

Through the indwelling of the Spirit everyone can know God on a personal level, everyone can know the will of God not just the people God chose in Old Testament times.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,'' says the Lord. "For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.''

Hebrews 8:10-12 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.''

If you can't see this or have not made peace with God through Jesus and allowed God to write His Law in your heart in order that it manifest itself in our lives as love for God and love for others then you are still in your sin and against God.

Romans 8:7 Because the old sinful nature within us is against God. It never did obey God's laws and it never will.

If this is you then you have no business teaching or preaching. You have no business trying to lead people in the ways of God when you have no light in you. You cannot do the will of God if you resist that which defines the will of God. You can't love God or neighbor if you refuse that standard by which God defines godly love. You cannot do rightousness if you're an enemy of that which reveals righteousness.

Pray for forgiveness and maybe, through God's grace and mercy, He will grant you the gift of repentence.

Gal 3:12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

[k4c]

That questionable........ God chose Abraham and made a covenant with him. The law came in order for God to keep His promises to Abraham. The law came 430yrs after, because of trangression of the people in the dessert.
If the promise was dependant on the law, then God's promises was conditional and therefore worthless.
What was this "wall of division" between these two people that you call "broken down" to make one people?
Texts seems to say, it's the whole law they had recieve from God.
Eph 2:15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

Col 2:11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

That scriptures are not talking about the law, you are.

Gal 3:12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Jesus came to take away my sin.

That which was nailed to the cross was sin.

Is the Law sin?

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.''

You point us to Colossians and say was it was the Ten Commandments that were nailed to the cross because that's what you've been taught in order to fit your belief system. But that which was nailed to the cross was not the Ten Commandments, but rather, my sin debt that bore witness against me.

Colossians 2:14 He has wiped out the record of our debt to the Law, which stood against us; he has destroyed it by nailing it to the cross;

When I break the Ten Commandments I sin and that sin is charged to my account. Moses wrote in a book what my consequence should be for my sin, which was called the book of the law. This book was placed outside the Ark while the Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark. They are two different things.

Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

It's these sins on my record as a debt that bear witness agaisnt me, not the Ten Commandments.

Jesus paid our sin debt on the cross.

 

[Cribstyl]

Jesus came to take away my sin.

That which was nailed to the cross was sin.

Is the Law sin?

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.''

You point us to Colossians and say was it was the Ten Commandments that were nailed to the cross because that's what you've been taught in order to fit your belief system. But that which was nailed to the cross was not the Ten Commandments, but rather, my sin debt that bore witness against me.

Colossians 2:14 He has wiped out the record of our debt to the Law, which stood against us; he has destroyed it by nailing it to the cross;

When I break the Ten Commandments I sin and that sin is charged to my account. Moses wrote in a book what my consequence should be for my sin, which was called the book of the law. This book was placed outside the Ark while the Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark. They are two different things.

Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

It's these sins on my record as a debt that bear witness agaisnt me, not the Ten Commandments.

Jesus paid our sin debt on the cross.

What was this "wall of division" between these two people that you call "broken down" to make one people?
Texts seems to say, it's the whole law they had recieve from God.
Eph 2:15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

Col 2:11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


The scriptures proves that the law stood between the Jews and the Gentiles.

 

[k4c]

What was this "wall of division" between these two people that you call "broken down" to make one people?
Texts seems to say, it's the whole law they had recieve from God.
Eph 2:15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

Col 2:11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


The scriptures proves that the law stood between the Jews and the Gentiles.

"The law of commandments contained in ordinances" Everything Israel did relating to sin offerings, washings, foods and drinks were called ordinances and were used as shadows. Jesus fulfilled all the shadows and broke down the wall that these ordinances caused between them. Not stealing or murdering does not build a wall between people or God but killing and stealing does.

 

[Cribstyl]

"The law of commandments contained in ordinances" Everything Israel did relating to sin offerings, washings, foods and drinks were called ordinances and were used as shadows. Jesus fulfilled all the shadows and broke down the wall that these ordinances caused between them. Not stealing or murdering does not build a wall between people or God but killing and stealing does.

Is'nt it ironic that when the word commandments does apply to the ten commandment, you say it does not?
You tend to play the ignorant card when we say the word "commandments" does not alway mean the ten commendments.

 

[k4c]

Is'nt it ironic that when the word commandments does apply to the ten commandment, you say it does not?
You tend to play the ignorant card when we say the word "commandments" does not alway mean the ten commendments.

And when you see the word, commandments, it means nothing.

God will one day justify His people forever because there will be no more sin but until that day...

Romans 2:13 For the ones that God will justify are not those who have heard the Law but those who have kept the Law.

Now, regarding The Ten Commandments vs ordinances I can't keep doing the research for you at some point you will have to do your own reseach. Let me know how you make out?

 

[Soon144k]

There is not ONE gospel that is being taught within Christianity, but TWO.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [wash my mouth] (7) not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. Gal:1:6-7.

One gospel was being preached by Paul, and another gospel being preached by the Jerusalem Assembly which was led by James, Peter and John. Paul declared directly that the gospel he was preaching was different. And then Paul made an astounding declaration:

(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. [wash my mouth] (9) As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Gal.1:8-9.

The fact that someone was preaching a gospel 'different' than the one he was preaching got him all riled up, so much so that he said anyone that did this was cursed. This included an 'angel from heaven'. Would an angel from Heaven teach something other than what Jesus Christ told him to teach? Certainly not. Therefore, Paul is placing 'his gospel' above that of the gospel that an angel from Heaven would preach at the behest of God.

Does this make any sense to anybody?

 

[k4c]

There is not ONE gospel that is being taught within Christianity, but TWO.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [wash my mouth] (7) not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. Gal:1:6-7.

One gospel was being preached by Paul, and another gospel being preached by the Jerusalem Assembly which was led by James, Peter and John. Paul declared directly that the gospel he was preaching was different. And then Paul made an astounding declaration:

(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. [wash my mouth] (9) As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Gal.1:8-9.

The fact that someone was preaching a gospel 'different' than the one he was preaching got him all riled up, so much so that he said anyone that did this was cursed. This included an 'angel from heaven'. Would an angel from Heaven teach something other than what Jesus Christ told him to teach? Certainly not. Therefore, Paul is placing 'his gospel' above that of the gospel that an angel from Heaven would preach at the behest of God.

Does this make any sense to anybody?

Amen...only one Gospel.

Today people are being taught that there is a Christain Gospel and a Jewish Gospel. They seem to believe the commandments are meant for the Jews while Christians are free to live outside the Law.

The basic Gospel was summed up in these few words of Jesus when He said, "Neither do I condemn you, now go and sin no more". Today's Gospel has seem to have forgotten the,"Go and sin no more" part of the Gospel.

 

[Cribstyl]

There is not ONE gospel that is being taught within Christianity, but TWO.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [wash my mouth] (7) not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. Gal:1:6-7.

One gospel was being preached by Paul, and another gospel being preached by the Jerusalem Assembly which was led by James, Peter and John. Paul declared directly that the gospel he was preaching was different. And then Paul made an astounding declaration:

(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. [wash my mouth] (9) As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Gal.1:8-9.

The fact that someone was preaching a gospel 'different' than the one he was preaching got him all riled up, so much so that he said anyone that did this was cursed. This included an 'angel from heaven'. Would an angel from Heaven teach something other than what Jesus Christ told him to teach? Certainly not. Therefore, Paul is placing 'his gospel' above that of the gospel that an angel from Heaven would preach at the behest of God.

Does this make any sense to anybody?

Well friend that's not factual. You're mixing up different passages. The people that Paul was said opposed His ministry were Jewish converts from Jerusalem, who kept the law and demand others keep it too. Act 15:24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

The context shows that there were Jewish Christian sects that felt that Gentiles should be circumcize and keep the law. (That's not gospel)
Act 15:5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.


The fact is, Peter, James John and the other apostle's first task was to convinced Jews at Jerusalem that Jesus was the Messiah they had crucified. Converting the Jews was a hostile mission and it would have been worse for Paul the former Pharisee and procecutor.
There is only one gospel. God chose Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles.
The fact is, almost all the doctrines to the churches are written by Paul.
SDA seize on the fact that during the early days, the synagouges on sabbath was primarily the time and place when all slaves of the Roman empire gathered for worship. Chrisitianity was consider a Jewish sect for years to come.

 

[OntheDL]

Is'nt it ironic that when the word commandments does apply to the ten commandment, you say it does not?
You tend to play the ignorant card when we say the word "commandments" does not alway mean the ten commendments.

When you hear on the news someone had run-in's with the law, do you know if it was the traffic law, the local law, state law or federal law? Or the income tax law?

 

[Soon144k]

The fact is, Peter, James John and the other apostle's first task was to convinced Jews at Jerusalem that Jesus was the Messiah they had crucified. Converting the Jews was a hostile mission and it would have been worse for Paul the former Pharisee and procecutor.
There is only one gospel. God chose Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles.
The fact is, almost all the doctrines to the churches are written by Paul.
SDA seize on the fact that during the early days, the synagouges on sabbath was primarily the time when all slaves of the Roman empire gathered for worship. Chrisitianity was consider a Jewish sect for years to come.[/QUOTE]

There was GREAT animosity between Paul and the 'so called Pillars', the leadership of the Jerusalem assembly (Peter, John, James). The idea that the Jerusalem assembly went along with the gospel of Paul is wholly inaccurate. For definitive information on this subject please read the book James, the Brother of Jesus by Robert Eisenman. According to him it was NOT the Jewish community that was in direct opposition to Paul, but the actual Jerusalem Assembly headed by the brother of Jesus and His two most trusted disciples.

 

[Cribstyl]

There was GREAT animosity between Paul and the 'so called Pillars', the leadership of the Jerusalem assembly (Peter, John, James). The idea that the Jerusalem assembly went along with the gospel of Paul is wholly inaccurate. For definitive information on this subject please read the book James, the Brother of Jesus by Robert Eisenman. According to him it was NOT the Jewish community that was in direct opposition to Paul, but the actual Jerusalem Assembly headed by the brother of Jesus and His two most trusted disciples.

Acts 15 is very clear about the challenges that Paul faced while preaching the gospel. God's word is what we have to apply to knowledge.
Apparently you have issues with the bible having everything we need to know.

 

[Haldog]

Pray for forgiveness and maybe, through God's grace and mercy, He will grant you the gift of repentence.

Thanks for the suggestion but through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross ALL of my sins, past, present and future, were forgiven 2000 years ago!

 

[Soon144k]

Acts 15 is very clear about the challenges that Paul faced while preaching the gospel. God's word is what we have to apply to knowledge.
Apparently you have issues with the bible having everything we need to know.

The challenges that Paul faced in preaching 'his' gospel came from those disciples that were actually WITH Jesus Christ during His ministry on earth. That is because they saw vast differences between what Paul taught in 'his' gospel and what Jesus taught to them. Peter and John (and other eyewitness disciples) challenged Paul because they could not understand how he could so directly contravene what Jesus said about sanctification as integral to becoming 'born again', about Paul's teaching that the Law/10 Commandments/Covenant were laid aside at the cross when they KNEW that Jesus said that the Law and Prophets would NEVER be laid aside.

My problem is not with the bible but with those that believe that everything inside the Bible is inspired by God when it is clearly not. Paul admitted to teaching a different gospel than that of the disciples, and railed against them for questioning 'his' authority.