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And I didn't say that.but "Word and Father in God" is not something I find in the text.
And I didn't say anything different.So in whatever way He was at that time "in the Father" and "the Father in Him" it did not prevent Him from being a person and talking with people as a distinct person.
The universe is not made up of atoms. I mentioned in post #26 that Dark Energy constitutes 68% of the universe. Normal/baryonic matter constitutes only 5% of the universe. The rest (27%) is called Dark Matter, which is not made up of atoms. I have no idea if any of this relates to God.
God is both omnipresent in the world as well as transcendent beyond the world. The way I understand it is that the Word and the Spirit were always in God. God never existed without his Word/Wisdom and his Spirit. Before time began, before the creation of the world, in eternity past, the Word was begotten of the Father and the Spirit proceeded from the Father. s
The Son/Word is in the form of God (Php 2:6), He is the image of God (Col 1:15), the radiance of God's glory, and the express figure of his substance (Heb 1:3).
In the beginning, the Spirit of God hovered over the waters (Gen 1:2). After Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God and received the Holy Spirit from the Father, He poured out the power of the Holy Spirit (Act 2:33).
Well, I myself doubt that dark matter and dark energy do anything other than account for cosmic inflation and the stability of dark clusters (since due to E=mc^2 we can say that the effects of both are gravitational, but probably only gravitational.
I am not convinced that either dark matter or dark energy are proven to be gravitational because until an actual mass is found having the gravitational property needed to account for that level of containment around the galaxy - the jury is still "out" for dark matter. Someone needs to "find it".
“Needed to account for that level or containment around the galaxy” … what? Forgive me, but I have no idea what you are talking about.
The mass and speed of the outer solar systems in a number of galaxies yields more outward force than the mass of the galaxy itself would be able to restrain. It should have spun apart - but is being "Contained" instead. Making up the idea that "gravity" is doing it even though the mass is not there for such a level of gravitational centripetal force - is not very "scientific". Its more of a wild guess while lacking a more reasoned observable consistent Answer.
If a ball at rest on the ground suddenly shoots up in the air and into outer space we would not say "must have been the gravitational force of some invisible object". We would rather say "that is unexplained - we need to investigate more"
Some force is holding those galaxies together - no doubt - but making up invisible mass simply because "we want" gravity to be the "answer" for that force - is not entirely "scientific". We need to come up with such a mass-object, show its properties and demonstrate that its mass justifies the claim about its gravitational force.
Same thing goes for the dark energy where the larger the expanse of empty space the greater the force of dark energy. Gravity, light, magnetism etc all observe the inverse squares law - and that does not bode well for the observed expansion phenomena where we see "greater force" over larger distances rather than the much expected inverse square of the distance law.
You quoted good Catholic websites that describe the Holy Trinity. But I do not see how Protestants disagree with this definition (except for the Filioque).
It seems that you, personally, disagree with the common Catholic/Protestant definition and are trying to project your disagreement on Protestants in general.however there are additional ideas in the Catholic definition that appear to differ with the Protestant view from those sources I quoted.
You quoted good Catholic websites that describe the Holy Trinity. But I do not see how Protestants disagree with this definition (except for the Filioque).
It seems that you, personally, disagree with the common Catholic/Protestant definition and are trying to project your disagreement on Protestants in general.
You quoted good Catholic websites that describe the Holy Trinity. But I do not see how Protestants disagree with this definition (except for the Filioque).
There is no Protestant definition that I can see, except one sentence stating the obvious. I sincerely apologize but I can't find a description. Where is the Protestant definition?In Post#1 I contrast Catholic vs Protestant definitions and I also show that I agree with the Protestant one. In Post #3 I give more detail regarding the Catholic definition. So how then does it "seem" that I disagree with both?? I find that curious.
What are all the Catholic additions that SDA's disagree with?Protestants like SDAs affirm "One God in three persons" but do not add all those "other things" we see in the Catholic definition found in Post #1, and Post #3.
There is no Protestant definition that I can see, except one sentence stating the obvious. I sincerely apologize but I can't find a description. Where is the Protestant definition?
What are all the Catholic additions that SDA's disagree with?
What are all the Catholic additions that SDA's disagree with?
To my knowledge there really are not any differences between historical Protestant and Roman Catholic triadology (Trinitarian theology). .
Protestants like SDAs affirm "One God in three persons" but do not add all those "other things" we see in the Catholic definition found in Post #1, and Post #3.
Well I show the difference in Post #1 and Post #3. Which details should I have left out??
So in the Bible we see -
...Deut 6:4 - One God
Matt 28:19 - in Three Persons.
My question is about the various "other" definitions of that term.
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=========== Some Catholic statements I found for the Trinity
They do appear to have "one God in three persons" - but they also have this --
From – catholic.com Explaining the Trinity
in the Catholic church –
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- The Father actively and eternally generates the Son, constituting the person of “God the Father”.
- The Son is passively generated of the Father, which constitutes the person of the Son.
- The Father and the Son actively spirate the Holy Spirit
========================== by contrast: PROTESTANT Trinity
From: Protestantism - Wikipedia
“The Trinity is the belief that God is one God in three persons: God the Father, God the Son ( Jesus ), and God the Holy Spirit.
"Protestants who adhere to the Nicene Creed believe in three persons ( God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit) as one God.”
I didn’t see anything in Post #1 or Post #3 that is contrary to mainstream Protestant theology.
Let me put it to you another way: is there something in the Catholic Encyclopedia article you find unacceptable from an SDA perspective?
If there is a Protestant church out there that disagrees with, for example, eternal generation or eternal spiration, it is likely a very small denomination
In this case however I see nothing in the document which would offend the sensibilities of any devout and well-catechized Western Nicene Christian
If there is a Protestant church out there that disagrees with, for example, eternal generation or eternal spiration, it is likely a very small denomination
@BobRyan speaking of the Trinity, you might be troubled to know that a few months back an Adventist on one of the forums said to me something to the effect that SDA doctrine is that while Jesus Christ was on Earth he was not God.
There is no Protestant definition that I can see, except one sentence stating the obvious.
========================== PROTESTANT Trinity
From: Protestantism - Wikipedia
“The Trinity is the belief that God is one God in three persons: God the Father, God the Son ( Jesus ), and God the Holy Spirit.
"Protestants who adhere to the Nicene Creed believe in three persons ( God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit) as one God.”
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