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One Fact that Disproves "macro-evolution"

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"macro-evolution" and "naturalism" are Impossible as Immaterial Properties, Beliefs, Objective Truth, and Free Will Exists. In other words Plantingas Kills any and every sort of "naturalism" conceivable, therefore "macro-evolution" is dead.

Therefore Theistic Evolution or Creation at Once.

Theistic Evolution seems incoherent as God could just create at Once and "macro-evolution" of any sort has been disproven,

utp-mcfall-4-seminar-untouched-human-foot.jpg


Why the Neo-Darwinian synthesis is not true - YouTube
 
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"macro-evolution" and "naturalism" are Impossible as Immaterial Properties, Beliefs, Objective Truth, and Free Will Exists. In other words Plantingas Kills any and every sort of "naturalism" conceivable, therefore "macro-evolution" is dead.

Therefore Theistic Evolution or Creation at Once.

Theistic Evolution seems incoherent as God could just create at Once and "macro-evolution" of any sort has been disproven,

Why the Neo-Darwinian synthesis is not true - YouTube

Can you translate that into everyday English for the rest if us?

Oh, and "macroevolution" has been observed, so you're wrong about that. The rest of your post is largely illegible.

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Can you translate that into everyday English for the rest if us?

Can you tone translate the apparent condescension you have because I disproved "macro-evolution", into a polite response?

Oh, and "macroevolution" has been observed,

Where? Because you'll be the richest who ever lived for proving this. Please show me a million transitional fossils, there's got to be more Transitional fossils than humanity.

so you're wrong about that. The rest of your post is largely illegible.

you provided no proof.
 
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"macro-evolution" and "naturalism" are Impossible as Immaterial Properties, Beliefs, Objective Truth, and Free Will Exists. In other words Plantingas Kills any and every sort of "naturalism" conceivable, therefore "macro-evolution" is dead.

Therefore Theistic Evolution or Creation at Once.

Theistic Evolution seems incoherent as God could just create at Once and "macro-evolution" of any sort has been disproven,

utp-mcfall-4-seminar-untouched-human-foot.jpg


Why the Neo-Darwinian synthesis is not true - YouTube

Do we know who's footprint this is?
 
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Who cares?

To put it bluntly, you should care. If you're using evidence for an argument without really evaluating it (even by checking with a group which by and large agrees with you), then you are running a seriously negligent or possibly reckless risk of using false evidence. Morally, that's wrong for the same reasons as outright lying. It shows a disregard for the truth. Some of the Paluxy tracks are actually outright forgeries. Others (the ones which aren't forgeries) bear only a very superficial resemblance to human footprints, and a much stronger resemblance to the dinosaur footprints around them allowing for natural collapse of the mud into the print.

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Theistic Evolution seems incoherent as God could just create at Once...

God could have created at once, but God has free will, and can therefore choose out of a set of different things which He is capable of doing. Some of the earliest Christian authors did believe that God created everything literally at once, due to philosophical arguments. Because of this, they believed that Genesis should be interpreted allegorically to allow for an instantaneous creation. Simply positing that God could do something does not mean that He actually will. God could have created people without those odd things we call elbows, and He could have created insular south-east Asia without that odd thing we call Borneo, but He chose to create elbows and He chose to create Borneo. This argument seems to assert that God chose to do everything which He could, when He in fact did not.

As for transitional fossils, they have been discovered. There aren't millions of them because there really aren't millions of fossils of any species. The fossil record doesn't preserve things all that well, and so the vast, overwhelming majority of all life ever to dwell on Earth has left no trace of its existence. The fact that we have so many transitional fossils for humanity particularly is amazing. Geology isn't always so generous.
 
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To put it bluntly, you should care.

Actually I shouldn't, that's like my mother telling me not to chew gum it's bad for my teeth, I don't care just prove how, don't tell me.

If you're using evidence for an argument without really evaluating it (even by checking with a group which by and large agrees with you),

See the context change, all he said was AIG and ICR said not to use it, and I said, who cares? prove why. I don't care for opinions, only facts.

then you are running a seriously negligent or possibly reckless risk of using false evidence.

Actually I'm asking him for the evidence. therefore you with this post are running a Seriously Nonsensical and Factually Reckless Risk of using false evidence.

Morally, that's wrong for the same reasons as outright lying.

Morally I am in the right to ask him for evidence, therefore you are in the wrong and are advising a possible risk of preventing true evidence from being presented. making it possibily worst than lying but wrong for the same reasons as outright scheming.

It shows a disregard for the truth.

That's what I'm saying to you, you have to be careful with your biased.

Some of the Paluxy tracks are actually outright forgeries.

And Please Prove why? see the hypocrisy,

Let me quote you to show the hypocrisy,

" then you are running a seriously negligent or possibly reckless risk of using false evidence." you have to prove things around here.

Yet you provide no evidence, I could prove why they're real with evidence!,

The Upper Taylor Platform (UTP) McFall Trail


Others (the ones which aren't forgeries) bear only a very superficial resemblance to human footprints, and a much stronger resemblance to the dinosaur footprints around them allowing for natural collapse of the mud into the print.

Again no proof.

God could have created at once, but God has free will, and can therefore choose out of a set of different things which He is capable of doing. Some of the earliest Christian authors did believe that God created everything literally at once, due to philosophical arguments. Because of this, they believed that Genesis should be interpreted allegorically to allow for an instantaneous creation.

He created Adam and Eve out of the dust of the ground and breathed life into them, He didn't create fish who breathed water, and let them evolve that is contrary to Scripture.

Simply positing that God could do something does not mean that He actually will. God could have created people without those odd things we call elbows, and He could have created insular south-east Asia without that odd thing we call Borneo, but He chose to create elbows and He chose to create Borneo. This argument seems to assert that God chose to do everything which He could, when He in fact did not.

Actually it proves Logic and Omnipotence, God is All Powerful and All Logical, there is no logical reason(to even finite human logic) to evolve humanity, making them the main characters, not mention this in The Bible, have billions of mutations and deaths for evolution only to make what He wanted, which is humanity, all when He could have just created them at once.

Believing in evolution over Creation denies His Logic, and Omnipotence.

As for transitional fossils, they have been discovered.

There aren't millions of them because there really aren't millions of fossils of any species.

Who said species, I'm saying millions of transitional fossils of any kind, less than a million in quantity and out the window goes the argument, should be more ape-like ancestor/human transitionary fossils than human fossils.

The fossil record doesn't preserve things all that well, and so the vast, overwhelming majority of all life ever to dwell on Earth has left no trace of its existence. The fact that we have so many transitional fossils for humanity particularly is amazing. Geology isn't always so generous.

Should still be more than a million, if the fossil record Did preserve well than billions, since not as you say, then at least millions, which there aren't.

All your excuses thrown out the window.
 
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See the context change, all he said was AIG and ICR said not to use it, and I said, who cares? prove why. I don't care for opinions, only facts.

You should care because:

1.) The opinions of individuals who conduct investigative research beyond the ability of a typical person on the Internet is more valuable than what you might find during a random Google search. While I am obviously not a creationist, I was at one point, and I can say that not all creation ministries are equal. The one your image comes from (bible.ca) is honest, I'm sure, but the stories they reprint sometimes come from people who aren't. Some of the "man tracks" on the site (like the Burdick track) are obvious forgeries, anatomically inconsistent with bipedal locomotion.

2.) The AiG article links to the ICR article which gives the evidence you are now asking for (or at least some of it).


Yet you provide no evidence, I could prove why they're real with evidence!,

The Upper Taylor Platform (UTP) McFall Trail

Evidence:

Paluxy Man Tracks
Burdick Print

He created Adam and Eve out of the dust of the ground and breathed life into them, He didn't create fish who breathed water, and let them evolve that is contrary to Scripture.

This assumes that Genesis was intended to teach (relatively complex) scientific ideas to an ancient agrarian society in the Middle East, who were closer to the Neolithic than we are to them. Genesis conveys actual history, but in highly symbolic ways.

Actually it proves Logic and Omnipotence, God is All Powerful and All Logical, there is no logical reason(to even finite human logic) to evolve humanity, making them the main characters, not mention this in The Bible, have billions of mutations and deaths for evolution only to make what He wanted, which is humanity, all when He could have just created them at once.

Believing in evolution over Creation denies His Logic, and Omnipotence.

So, then, why would the Bible not explain the presence of enormous, dangerous animals immediately following the fall? According to many YEC ministries, the curse should rightly have included the sudden presence not just of thorns on the ground, but also of enormous Tyrannosaurs in the forest with teeth full of jagged daggers, and of flocks of feathered raptors, ready to slaughter anyone who strayed too far from safety with claws like butcher knives. This sword cuts two ways.

Likewise, I could ask why God didn't just choose to create humanity entirely ex nihilo, since that would require more power than just molding clay into the human form (creating an average human male ex nihilo would require the energy of a decent-scale thermonuclear explosive).

Who said species, I'm saying millions of transitional fossils of any kind, less than a million in quantity and out the window goes the argument, should be more ape-like ancestor/human transitionary fossils than human fossils.



Should still be more than a million, if the fossil record Did preserve well than billions, since not as you say, then at least millions, which there aren't.

All your excuses thrown out the window.

Actually, no, they can't. There is literally no way that there would be millions of fossils in the human evolutionary tree, because we can't expect millions from such a small set of species in an area not terribly conducive to fossil formation (we actually have almost no fossils of chimpanzee evolution, just because they developed in an wet rain forest environment, which causes rapid decay of any dead animals on the forest floor). With human evolution, we're lucky enough to have fossils from a relatively dry area which sometimes preserves a minority of fossils (because it was relatively open, though, and was on land, many of our ancestors decayed or were eaten by scavengers before they could be buried in sediment). We have several examples of transitional forms between our last common ancestor and present H. sapiens, going back to organisms which were extremely similar to bipedal chimpanzees (like Ar. ramidus).

Given the evidence, it is not important that we don't have a surprising number of these fossils. We have enough to construct an accurate (although of course somewhat contentious and not entirely full) evolutionary tree for humanity.
 
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Morally I am in the right to ask him for evidence, therefore you are in the wrong and are advising a possible risk of preventing true evidence from being presented. making it possibily worst than lying but wrong for the same reasons as outright scheming.

You are responsible for supporting your own claims. You are claiming that human footprints are found with dinosaur footprints. You need to show that this is really the case.

He created Adam and Eve out of the dust of the ground and breathed life into them, He didn't create fish who breathed water, and let them evolve that is contrary to Scripture.

And where is your evidence for this?

Actually it proves Logic and Omnipotence, God is All Powerful and All Logical, there is no logical reason(to even finite human logic) to evolve humanity, making them the main characters, not mention this in The Bible, have billions of mutations and deaths for evolution only to make what He wanted, which is humanity, all when He could have just created them at once.

Then what is the logic behind making humans, and all life for that matter, look like it evolved? Why would God put ERV's in our genomes in a pattern that is indistinguishable from what evolution would produce? Why do we see a nested hierarchy, the very pattern of homology that we would expect from evolution? Is God not capable of violating a nested hierarchy? Humans do it all of the time when they design organisms.

Believing in evolution over Creation denies His Logic, and Omnipotence.

There is no need for belief. We have mountains of evidence.

Who said species, I'm saying millions of transitional fossils of any kind, less than a million in quantity and out the window goes the argument, should be more ape-like ancestor/human transitionary fossils than human fossils.

So you have scanned every inch of fossil bearing strata on the face of the Earth and counted the transitional fossils?
 
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