Once your saved does that mean you will go to heaven no matter what?

[tapero]

Certainly you're saved for your entire life, as long as you repent of all of your sins. Repentence is required to receive salvation.

Hi just to note for op, anyone can say i repent and then come to christ in the same second.

repentance occurs after coming to Christ, tho one can mouth the word i repent it doesn't mean anything.

repentance means to turn away. this happens after salvation not before.

Also, anyone teaching that a non christian must repent of all sins, that is turn away from them, stop doing them, is incorrect in their teaching and may very well lead a person to hell.

As if that person decides to stop external sins, and thinks by that they are saved, they are in fact decieved.

Also, when someone does ask God for forgiveness of sins, it is not for all sins, for our hearts are full of sins as believers, and believers sin inwardly and outwardly after salvation.

once we believe all sins are forgiven, present past and future.

There is no conditions to your salvation once you are saved. Nothing can ever take away your salvation, no matter what one does.

No work can merit it, no words need be mouthed, but to have a close walk with God we talk to him about the sins we are dealing with and we also tell a friend as well, to help us with accountability, should we seek such.

blessings,
tapero

 

[kulenok]

Erm...no? because that would make you a lukewarm christian, believeing, but without deeds. Those dont go to heaven sorry.

 

[tapero]

Erm...no? because that would make you a lukewarm christian, believeing, but without deeds. Those dont go to heaven sorry.

Hi, here is the scripture:

So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Don't know how long you've been a believer, nor your experiences, but Christians do get lukewarm.

Please note the letters in Revelation are directed to both believers and non believers.

Also, we are in a dispensation a period of grace.

Works in no way saves us, as can be seen by the whole context of the bible, never has and never will. In the ot and new, was always faith.

There is no danger of losing their salvation. One can never lose their salvation.

Again, also, re deeds. Deeds are a natural outworking of salvation in Christ, so one who is in Christ does deeds. For some maybe it's just praying, maybe their homebound and that's all they do is pray.

These I believe the one's unseen such as those will be considered greatest in the Kingdom of God as they did all that they did in private.

Blessings,
tapero

 

[CShephard53]

I was told by a christian that once you get saved you will go to heaven no matter what. Lets say i became a christian asked jesus into my life and repented from sin but later in life i became a lustful sex addict and a alcoholic and died without recovering. Would i still go to heaven then? This question came to my mind soon as a christian told me you can't possibly earn eternal life no matter how good you are.

The hypothetical you give would make me question the guy's sincerity for one, and whether he really repented for another. Repenting is turning (permanently) from your sin and living by the Spirit. I'd say that guy wasn't saved to begin with.

Works? Here's the thing. God gave a gift to provide the MEANS for salvation. Jesus. Why did He have to do that? Because men sin, and because men sin there's a punishment in hell.
Can we take that for granted? No. Can we keep being in bondage to sin and still be saved? No. So do we have to earn it? Yes, but let me explain before I get blasted by other Christians for saying that (read carefully- and please note that if it's not directly said with a Scripture verse or in text by me, it is not implied).
Jesus Himself says 'repent and believe' (Matthew 4, among other places). Repent, per the Greek, is turning around- pulling a 180. That's the first thing. The second thing is, for salvation we need works (pay close attention to the definition I use please) (John 15:1-15). Works are things that are done of God- they originate with God, they are from God, and they are done by the power of God. Not anything we do by ourselves, but only that done by God's power.
What does that leave us with?
We cannot keep sinning, and we cannot fall back into sin. We need to abide, persevere, finish the race. Not give up halfway through.

 

[CShephard53]

And a sidenote- I'm not saying faith isn't a part of salvation. Totally is a part. But some would have us believe that only faith gets you to heaven, and that's just not Scriptural nor is it true. Nowhere, in the entire Bible, does it say that only faith is needed. And if it did, it would be in direct conflict with Peter, Paul, and Jesus who all preached a 'repent from your sins and believe' message.

 

[tapero]

It is clear from the context of the bible that it has always been faith that saves us and faith alone.

13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

redemption means salvation. The above proves we can never lose our salvation.

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for.

8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

Note, the faith isn't the gift, salvation is the gift spoken of above.

It has always been by faith in God.

When one believes in God, they do 'works' naturally out of a relationship with God.

If someone who isn't a Christian does "works" they are not saved because they are doing good things, as we know that nothing we can do can cause us to be saved, except to believe.

A Christian never loses their salvation, as the scritpure shows about about the Holy Spirit.

John the baptist repent and be saved.

We know that many religious leaders in the bible were called broods of vipers and that their father was satan.

Doing works never saved.

Now a days we are told to repent and come to Christ.

If someone says the words I repend and believe in Christ. Have they stopped doing a certain behavior in that second? No they said the words.

The repentance or turning away from sin comes after we come to Christ. Also we will continue to sin as Christians as our hearts are full of sin, though we have a new heart, and are new creations, we will sin outwardly and inwardly. God will work on us all our lives, but the sins we turn over to him are the ones we will be able to stop doing. The inward sins, pride, lust and such will always be a battle and we can have our minds renewed by being in his word, but we will always battle all types of sins. as each day is new and brings new challenges.

However, past present future sins are all forgiven us when we come to faith in Christ.

Again, repent is to turn away from sin, and happens after we come to Christ and not before, tho anyone can mouth the words.

If anyone is teaching non christians to stop sinning they are decieving them and leading them to hell.

It is by Christ alone we are saved nothing we do but have faith.

Blessings,
tapero

 

[E-beth]

Hi JMichael!

This topic can be a point of contention among denominations. But, to add my opinion, I will tell you about my own personal experience.

I have been a Christian since the age of five. I have not been perfect, but I have been repentant of the stuff I have done. A few years ago, I was newly divorced, hurting, and was in a rebellion against God. I did things I knew were wrong, that were unhealthy, dangerous, and sinful. At the time, I was basically daring God to stop me. I was anything but repentant. If I would have died in teh middle of my rebellion, do I believe I would have gone to heaven? YES! Because even if a human child dies while separated by space and emotion from their parent, they are still the parents' child. God told me constantly that He knew, and I fought against conviction. Eventually God did break through and I found my repentance. But I still had to clean up some of the messes I made.

The point is that a Christian who rebels and sins knows they are wrong, and are regularly convicted by the Spirit. Even if the rebellion goes on for years and years, God still reaches for them. They are still His children, and even death cannot undo that.

 

[aiki]

Yes, once you're saved you're irrevocably so. You cannot lose your salvation by something bad you do any more than you can earn your salvation by something good you do. God gives salvation to us as a gift. Titus 3:5 says, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us..." (see also Eph. 2:8, 9)

When Christians sin they break their fellowship with God, but not their relationship to Him. I can get into a fight with my Dad and never speak to him again -- our fellowship can be broken. But, even if I never speak to my Dad again I am still unalterably his son. No matter what our fellowship may be like, I will always have this father-son relationship. Likewise, a Christian can do nothing to alter their adoption into God's family; they will always have God as their Heavenly Father. But the fellowship, the communion, a Christian may have with Him can be completely broken.

It won't be easy when you're genuinely saved to live in sin continually. Anyone with the Holy Spirit of God dwelling within them will feel profound discomfort with sin. This is a mark of genuine salvation. However, it is possible for a Christian to fall into a life of sin. Doing so in spite of God's corrective measures, the inner urgings of the Holy Spirit to repentance and in violation of one's conscience ultimately leads to a state called reprobation where one is set aside by God as unusable to Him. A Christian would have to work hard to arrive at such a place, though.

 

[CShephard53]

It is clear from the context of the bible that it has always been faith that saves us and faith alone.

Verse please.

If anyone is teaching non christians to stop sinning they are decieving them and leading them to hell.

It is by Christ alone we are saved nothing we do but have faith.

I'm not saying you need to stop sinning.

I'd appreciate it that if you wish to arue with my opinion that is Scripturally grounded, you go to soterology and debate it. Not make claims in a place where I can't counter them.

 

[tapero]

Verse please.

I'm not saying you need to stop sinning.

I'd appreciate it that if you wish to arue with my opinion that is Scripturally grounded, you go to soterology and debate it. Not make claims in a place where I can't counter them.

Brother, as i read back, you were the one debated my post not the other way around.

 

[tapero]

Verse please.

I'm not saying you need to stop sinning.

I'd appreciate it that if you wish to arue with my opinion that is Scripturally grounded, you go to soterology and debate it. Not make claims in a place where I can't counter them.

brother, as i see it you debated my post, not the other way around.

 

[CShephard53]

I'm pointing out that if you're going to say that the Bible says 'faith alone', you need to provide a Scripture reference. Your entire post that I quoted from seemed to be an argument against mine, much of which ignored the definition of works that I used. If you're going to make such an argument, provide Scripture.

 

[tapero]

I'm pointing out that if you're going to say that the Bible says 'faith alone', you need to provide a Scripture reference. Your entire post that I quoted from seemed to be an argument against mine, much of which ignored the definition of works that I used. If you're going to make such an argument, provide Scripture.

Thanks, but if you dont' mind I'll do as I see fit to do.

 

[ISeekTruth]

Isa 59:17
17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

Notice it says put on the helmet of salvation. Its a gift, but we have to put it on. Its our choice to wear it.

Rev 2:10
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

I will give thee a crown of life. Sounds like he will supply it, just like he has supplied forgivenes, and remission of sin through the Blood but we have to apply it just like in Egypt. They had to apply the blood three times or the death angel would visit their house. We apply the blood three times as well, through repentance, baptism, and infiling of the Holy Ghost.

Rev 3:11
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

If it can be stolen, if we are commanded to hold fast to our crown, then it clearly can be stolen.

If you sin daily you are a sinner. Find an alter and get your life straight. Childfogod said it very well. If you are TRULY saved, you will strive to walk like him, to talk like him to be like him. We are commanded to perfect as our father in heaven is perfect. The Lord said to "be Holy for I am Holy"

The "No Matter What" does not exhist. That was a very good question, and I am truly blessed by some of the answers I have seen in this forum as well.

God Bless