Once Saved, Always Saved?

[bmoynihan]

I once heard (When I was a christian) that once you are saved that you will always be saved. So where would that leave me IF God/Jesus etc is true?

I was a born-again Christian for quite a few years, I prayed every night, attended church, did the lot!

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed?

 

[Macca]

I once heard (When I was a christian) that once you are saved that you will always be saved. So where would that leave me IF God/Jesus etc is true?

I was a born-again Christian for quite a few years, I prayed every night, attended church, did the lot!

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed?

Both sides can be "proven to be true". I'll not quote any here.
My personal opinion is that if you say the sinners prayer to commit your life to Christ, then you walk away; you were not truly born again at all.Maybe some attitude in your life holds you back, i'm not sure.
I know for certain that the first time I said the words of the sinner's prayer, it was an ulterior motive. I have since become serious about serving God for the right reasons, but I'm not sure about the time between, had I have died.
Macca.

 

[bmoynihan]

Both sides can be "proven to be true". I'll not quote any here.
My personal opinion is that if you say the sinners prayer to commit your life to Christ, then you walk away; you were not truly born again at all.Maybe some attitude in your life holds you back, i'm not sure.
I know for certain that the first time I said the words of the sinner's prayer, it was an ulterior motive. I have since become serious about serving God for the right reasons, but I'm not sure about the time between, had I have died.
Macca.

I understand what you mean but at the time I really did believe it! I think I just grew out of it, the older i got the less it all made sense!

 

[Yebo]

Greetings from a sunny South Africa

I once heard (When I was a christian) that once you are saved that you will always be saved. So where would that leave me IF God/Jesus etc is true?

I was a born-again Christian for quite a few years, I prayed every night, attended church, did the lot!

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed?

It is a pity that you decided not to be a Christian anymore. However it was/is your choice.

The answer to your question is simply NO you will not go to heaven as a non-believer in Jesus Christ. THe decision is ours to make to either refusing God's love and deciding not to make Jesus our Lord or to have a living, loving relationship with the Most High God above all.

Please allow me to quote a couple of verses and then you make your own decision again.

Romans 10:9 - 11 "9that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.""

John 14:6 "6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

John 3:15 - 16 "15that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

and lastly John 17:3 "3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."

 

[LondonsBurning]

I once heard (When I was a christian) that once you are saved that you will always be saved. So where would that leave me IF God/Jesus etc is true?

I was a born-again Christian for quite a few years, I prayed every night, attended church, did the lot!

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed?

Praying and going to church does not define one's salvation.

 

[bmoynihan]

I'm sure though that it says somewhere in the Bible that once 'jesus' is in your heart that he never leaves.

Just wondered if anybody knew where it was?

 

[Serapha]

I once heard (When I was a christian) that once you are saved that you will always be saved. So where would that leave me IF God/Jesus etc is true?

I was a born-again Christian for quite a few years, I prayed every night, attended church, did the lot!

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed?

Hi there!



There is one unpardonable sin, and that is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.... tell me, when you rejected Christianity, to whom did you give credit for the works of the Holy Spirit in your life?




Who do you give credit to concerning the creation? And now, in the present, ...To whom or what do you give the credit for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that you profess to have obtained during your time of professing Christianity?


God will be a just God, but mercy, lovingkindness, and righteousness may not get you into heaven if you have to profess that your previous Christian walk was attributed to something other that the God of Christianity.


I would invite you to reconsider your position, and I would ask...

I think I just grew out of it, the older i got the less it all made sense!

Perhaps in posting on the Theology and Bible forums, then Christianity will, once again, "make sense" for you.





~serapha~

 

[bmoynihan]

Hi there!



There is one unpardonable sin, and that is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.... tell me, when you rejected Christianity, to whom did you give credit for the works of the Holy Spirit in your life?

I believe that it was an illusion created by my mind, having said that I cannot see how that is 'blasphemy of the holy spirit' if it was to exsist.

Who do you give credit to concerning the creation? And now, in the present, ...To whom or what do you give the credit for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that you profess to have obtained during your time of professing Christianity?

I do not believe in Creation so I do not need to give anybody credit for it.

God will be a just God, but mercy, lovingkindness, and righteousness may not get you into heaven if you have to profess that your previous Christian walk was attributed to something other that the God of Christianity.


I would invite you to reconsider your position, and I would ask...




Perhaps in posting on the Theology and Bible forums, then Christianity will, once again, "make sense" for you.

I really doubt it ever would, for me there are far too many holes in it.

1) Why does suffering occur if there is a god? (This is not the same as free will, you can have free will and still be protected from suffering)?

2) Why did god make us 'sinners' in the first place? If he is all knowing then when he created us he would have known about having to send jesus, why bother with such a pantomime?

3) Christians often defy the basic teachings and thus I have difficulty relating to them. The main point that annoys me is how judgemental Christians are on issues like Homosexuality. Why must Christians have a negative oppinion of such things if God alown is the judge? Even saying that only Christians get to heaven is judging!

4) The Bible was written by men hundreds of years after the event yet you base your religion on it. If there was a God why couldn't you just ask him for answers instead of looking towards a book written by men?

5) If there is a God what happened before him? Who made him? In all eternity why did he suddenly decide to make us? All sounds far too a primative concept for me.

Having said that I respect Christians for the good work that they do and for generally trying to be good and kind to others, hopefully this path may get them closer to enlightenment than by being a non believer in anything and by following a selfish path.

With Metta

 

[Jesus_Inside]

I really doubt it ever would, for me there are far too many holes in it.

1) Why does suffering occur if there is a god? (This is not the same as free will, you can have free will and still be protected from suffering)?

2) Why did god make us 'sinners' in the first place? If he is all knowing then when he created us he would have known about having to send jesus, why bother with such a pantomime?

3) Christians often defy the basic teachings and thus I have difficulty relating to them. The main point that annoys me is how judgemental Christians are on issues like Homosexuality. Why must Christians have a negative oppinion of such things if God alown is the judge? Even saying that only Christians get to heaven is judging!

4) The Bible was written by men hundreds of years after the event yet you base your religion on it. If there was a God why couldn't you just ask him for answers instead of looking towards a book written by men?

5) If there is a God what happened before him? Who made him? In all eternity why did he suddenly decide to make us? All sounds far too a primative concept for me.

Having said that I respect Christians for the good work that they do and for generally trying to be good and kind to others, hopefully this path may get them closer to enlightenment than by being a non believer in anything and by following a selfish path.

With Metta

1) Because there is a little something called the devil.

2) I struggle with that one.

3) God is only truthful and just judge. So I don't think that people should be judgmental.

4) again I believe that it was not written hundred of years after, maybe 10 to 60 years but not hundreds. Did you know that it was written by God? The men the "wrote" it were just Gods puppets (so to speak)

5) I believe that all Christians struggle with this one!

Your brother in Christ, Nat!

 

[Serapha]

I believe that it was an illusion created by my mind, having said that I cannot see how that is 'blasphemy of the holy spirit' if it was to exsist.




I do not believe in Creation so I do not need to give anybody credit for it.


I really doubt it ever would, for me there are far too many holes in it.

1) Why does suffering occur if there is a god? (This is not the same as free will, you can have free will and still be protected from suffering)?

2) Why did god make us 'sinners' in the first place? If he is all knowing then when he created us he would have known about having to send jesus, why bother with such a pantomime?

3) Christians often defy the basic teachings and thus I have difficulty relating to them. The main point that annoys me is how judgemental Christians are on issues like Homosexuality. Why must Christians have a negative oppinion of such things if God alown is the judge? Even saying that only Christians get to heaven is judging!

4) The Bible was written by men hundreds of years after the event yet you base your religion on it. If there was a God why couldn't you just ask him for answers instead of looking towards a book written by men?

5) If there is a God what happened before him? Who made him? In all eternity why did he suddenly decide to make us? All sounds far too a primative concept for me.

Having said that I respect Christians for the good work that they do and for generally trying to be good and kind to others, hopefully this path may get them closer to enlightenment than by being a non believer in anything and by following a selfish path.

With Metta

Hi there!



You need to take your postings to a debate forum where they can be openly discussed. Any response here will result in debate.


~thanks for sharing your thoughts~

 

[bmoynihan]

1) Because there is a little something called the devil.

2) I struggle with that one.

3) God is only truthful and just judge. So I don't think that people should be judgmental.

4) again I believe that it was not written hundred of years after, maybe 10 to 60 years but not hundreds. Did you know that it was written by God? The men the "wrote" it were just Gods puppets (so to speak)

5) I believe that all Christians struggle with this one!

Your brother in Christ, Nat!

Thanks for your response, you seam a very open and resonable person!

I understand your answer to 1 but I thought God had won the battle! If the Devil has so much power then one of the following must be true.

1) The devil has more power than god
2) God lets the devil do these things

Not too sure which would be worse!

 

[Jesus_Inside]

Thanks for your response, you seam a very open and resonable person!

I understand your answer to 1 but I thought God had won the battle! If the Devil has so much power then one of the following must be true.

1) The devil has more power than god
2) God lets the devil do these things

Not too sure which would be worse!

well, I think that in the beginning God created Lucifer and he (lucifer) just said some thing like "Hey we're angles! Why do we have to lessen to God?" and just took a hike and took control of the earth. So I dont think that it has come to a battle, yet, I think that in the end God will battle the devil, and in the end God will win. But I dont think that the battle has happend yet.

So with saying that:

1) No, nothing is more powerful then God.
2) I'm not sure.

The main thing that I know about the devil is that he controls the earth, and that he is the most evil thing on this earth!

 

[Jesus_Inside]

Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Once we are saved, we are always saved. The question is "when are we saved?" If you are drowning, are you saved when someone throws you a life preserver, or are you saved once you are on the boat? Once someone throws you a rope, you can grab onto it and be pulled in. But even once you've grabbed it, you can still let go and drown. This is why Jesus said "He who endures to the end will be saved." Once we are in Heaven, we are saved, and we will never need to worry after that. Until then, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Underdog77]

If you truly did accept Christ as your Savior you will go to Heaven no matter what but that's only if you truly accepted Christ.

Anything else would not make sense. If you could accept Christ but then lose your salvation because you turn away from Him then that would mean Christ's sacrifice wasn't really enough to get you in Heaven, to cover your sins. That means you had to do some sort of work to retain the gift that God gave you.

This contridicts what the Bible teaches and that's why I think all Christians (whether they think they are anymore or not) will go to Heaven. Jesus did say that nobody can snatch us out of His hands. That means whether we know it or not once we come to Him we are His forever.

 

[All4one]

I agree with Macca.
Luke 9:62 says,

But Jesus told him, "anyone who puts a hand to the plow and then looks back is not fit for the kingdom of God.

I believe in backsliding, the bible refers to it... But as far as the question, " can you loose your salvation?" I say absolutely. A saved person produces the fruits of the spirit. Galatians 5:19-23 explains the fruits of a christian and a non-christian. Can a person produce one and then later in life produce another.. absolutely. Remember when Jesus rebuked the fig tree for not producing any fruit?
So many people say they are a "christian" when their fruits say different. Being saved and living it are two diffrent things. More then just saying a person is a christian is less important then seeing that stament through.

In love,
I will pray for you
All4one

 

[InnerPhyre]

If you truly did accept Christ as your Savior you will go to Heaven no matter what but that's only if you truly accepted Christ.

Anything else would not make sense. If you could accept Christ but then lose your salvation because you turn away from Him then that would mean Christ's sacrifice wasn't really enough to get you in Heaven, to cover your sins. That means you had to do some sort of work to retain the gift that God gave you.

This contridicts what the Bible teaches and that's why I think all Christians (whether they think they are anymore or not) will go to Heaven. Jesus did say that nobody can snatch us out of His hands. That means whether we know it or not once we come to Him we are His forever.

So what did Jesus mean when He said that he who endures to the end will be saved? No one can snatch us out of His hands, but He's not going to force us to stay there if we decide to jump out.

 

[geocajun]

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed?

Do you realize you are asking people to pass judgement on you? "Well if I were God...."

 

[alex cho]

I believe that it was an illusion created by my mind, having said that I cannot see how that is 'blasphemy of the holy spirit' if it was to exsist.




I do not believe in Creation so I do not need to give anybody credit for it.


I really doubt it ever would, for me there are far too many holes in it.

1) in order to serve.. you must humble yourself and be broken.. and to be broken you need to go through suffering.. because he disciplines the ones he loves. as most christians would know.. once u walk with God.. there are many stages where you go through suffering..

2) yes.. he did know.. and before he even created earth, he already had us in mind.. he didnt create us because he was lonely, but because he is a God of love. and he wanted to show that to us by creating us and giving us the chance to have everlasting life with him. he loves people more than anything else. he sent Jesus because he shows us and the greatest thing you can do with love is sacrafice.. and he did by showing and giving us the ultimate, perfect sacrafice. can anyone show you more of how much they love you than to die for you?

3) God created Adam and Eve for a reason, not Adam and Steve. If you were a true saved christian, you would turn back from your sin, such as homosexuality.

4) We do have God right with us everyday. Trinity. God was there during the time of Old testament, Jesus was there for the new testament, and now he has given us the Holy spirit here during our present times. Holy spirit talks to us everyday.

5) That is why God is so GOOOOD, we dont undetstand.. All other gods, you know and have a physical image of them. Our God is the only God taht wants to have a relationship with us, all other gods, people have to search THEM. "How are you going to understand how God the creater of the universe, existed and how he is, if we our great scientists, and our knowledge can't even fathom the depts of the universe? we havnt even LANDED on the nearest planet or have exact knowledge of it, yet you question God?"

Christianity is not a religion, its a way of living like Christ Jesus.

 

[MinDach]

I once heard (When I was a christian) that once you are saved that you will always be saved. So where would that leave me IF God/Jesus etc is true?

I was a born-again Christian for quite a few years, I prayed every night, attended church, did the lot!

So if I died now when I am a non believer would I get to heaven IF it existed

If you have turn back on God, theses are the words he has left for this.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.