Once Saved Always Saved vs. Judgment

[endofdayz]

I think the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved is correct but it's often taken out of context. There's parts of the Bible that seems to show this isn't true but it is true. Look at these verses:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These people He is talking about are Christians. There's other verses like this like when Jesus says Christians who are lukewarm will be spued out of his mouth.

The Bible also says work out your Salvation in fear and trembling.

How do we square these things? Salvation is a Gift Given by the Grace of God and not by works. Therefore, Salvation can't be lost.

I think the problem occurs because Salvation Saves us from sin and the consequences of sin which is death and destruction alongside satan and the fallen ones. Salvation doesn't save us from judgment unless you're in the 1st Resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I think we're saved from hell but not from being judged because you don't know if you're in the 1st Resurrection or if you will be resurrected at the second death. There's judgment at the second death.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

These verses seem to separate Christians from death and hell which are cast into the lake of fire. In verse 12, the dead may be Christians who are judged for their works.

You can't get Salvation through works, it's a Gift from God, but works are the fruits of your Salvation. You should want to read the Bible and pray to God more. You should have compassion for your neighbor.

This doesn't mean we will not struggle with our sinful nature but I think too many Pastor's are teaching once saved always saved without teaching about judgment and the second death. This is because it's easier to please itching ears and say sow a seed and get a new house or new car. They want the donation to continue to flow. They don't want to say anything that they think may turn people away.

I think it's about your heart at the end of the day. Look at David, he sinned and had moments of weakness but he's known as a man after God's own heart. Psalm 26:2 says:

Examine me, O Lord, and try me;
Test my mind and my heart.

On that day, you will not be able to lie to God. God knows what's truly in your heart. A person may have started off with a heart for God but God has become a means to an end for them and they have a heart for sin in order to obtain more riches.

So, if you teach once saved always saved without teaching work out your Salvation with fear and trembling, then you're hurting those you're teaching. You make it easier for them to be comfortable in their sin.

You're basically saying, sin it up because there's no consequences for your sin. The Bible says:

Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

I think these will be Christians at the 1st Resurrection and at the second death where sin will not be imputed. It's just there will be judgment for many Christians at the second death.

This is why I think it's dangerous to preach once save always saved without any context.

Romans 10:9 says:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

Yes, Christians are saved from the lake of fire reserved for satan, the beast and the false prophet but not from judgment for your works at the second death.

Does your works bear the fruit of your Salvation or are your works constantly on evil and sin even though you are saved? Only God knows!

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 7 - Jesus said "Not everyone that SAYS Lord lord will enter the kingdom of heaven". Having all the right words does not make the difference according to Christ in Matt 7. And the ending path is not a "lesser heaven" - but rather no heaven.

Matt 18 Jesus said "I forgave you all the debt" -- then forgiveness is revoked and full payment made by he sinner instead. Christ ends with this "so shall My Father do to each one of you IF you do not forgive your brother from your heart"

Rom 11 says to "you stand only by your faith...you should fear for if He did not spare the Jews He will not spare you either".

That was another salvation revoked example.

Gal 5 "you have been severed from Christ... fallen from grace"

John 15:1-8 Christ said -- "branches IN ME" cut off and cast into the fire..

Rom 2: 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

 

[bling]

1. Gal. 6: 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

Paul explains plainly that eternal life is the harvest in the future we do not want to “give up”, but that also teaches we can give it up.

Our doing good stuff while here on earth (or better: our allowing God to work through us doing good stuff) is not to “earn”, “payback” or to allow us to “hold on to our salvation”. We want to continue to utilize Godly type Love and not get caught up in carnal type love so the huge Love Feast of Heaven (unselfish type Love only) still has value to us and not something we would sell on the cheap.

As far as being saved by faith only without “works”, that is true, but just like the Prodigal son wimped out of taking the punishment he fully deserved and humbly returned to the Father, we must wimp out, give up surrender to our enemy God and that will allow God to shower us with His charity.

2. Eternal Life in heaven is spoken of as our inheritance and not something we actually have at the moment. All other Gifts of God we have right away, but heaven is truly ours as a birthright (our inheritance).


Also someone being dead was brought up, but we really need to see how Christ talked about dead people:


Part of the meaning to the concept of being given a gift is the fact that the ownership of the gift actually transfers to the receiver of the gift and as such the receiver of the gift can do what he/she wants to do with the gift.


The Hebrew writer in Heb. 12:16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

Esau owned the “gift” of the firstborn inheritance rights, which could not be taken from him by anyone, nor could someone steal it from his hand, not even his father could take them back, but Esau could sell it or give it away.


The Hebrew writer is telling us not to give away or sell our birth right (as born again Christians) which is our inheritance of eternal life.



We own a paid-up tax-free deed to a home in heaven, so that home was gifted to us, but the Hebrew writer is saying we could sell (or give it away) like Esau did.


Again we are not doing or allowing the Holy Spirit to do good stuff through us to get anything (God has given us everything up front with the exception of dwelling in heaven right now), but we do have an undeserved birthright to heaven which cannot be lost like your keys, stolen from you, earned, paid back and even God will not take it from you, but you can of your own free will which you still have: given it away (satan wants it).


Jesus would use the very best words to convey the meaning and Jesus did not say: “God brought him to his senses”, but Jesus did say “he came to his senses”. How did he do it if he was in a dead state or can you do this if you are in a dead state? We know the young man was in a dead state because:

Luke 15: 24 “For this son of mine was dead and is alive again…” and Luke 15:32 “…because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again;…”

The Father (representing God) does not say “We thought he was dead” or “was like dead”.

There is not a definition given for being “Spiritually dead” so we cannot say exactly what that means, but from this passage Jesus is teaching us a spiritually dead person can repent.

It is a lot more complex than just looking at it and giving one meaning to “spiritually dead”. In one since the young man does not have Godly type Love and Paul teaches us (1 Cor. 13) without this Godly type Love you can do nothing of value (it is worthless) so in that since what the young man did in even repenting was “worthless” of no value. The young man is actually being “motivated” by self seeking reasoning, but it does cause him to swallow his pride. The acceptance of the Father’s Love is really not “doing” something but more allowing something to be done to you.

In other words, the young son did not really “do” anything in his dead state, but did allow the father to do stuff for him. The Young man could have gone on in the pigsty trying on his own to recover (maintaining some pride), but that would be really trying to stay alive by doing something as compared to giving up (being a walking dead person).

 

[Rapture Bound]

endofdayz said, "How do we square these things? Salvation is a Gift Given by the Grace of God and not by works. Therefore, Salvation can't be lost....and ... "The Bible also says work out your Salvation in fear and trembling."

Yes indeed, we must "square" or "reconcile" the opposing streams of thought on any given topic in the Bible. Here's a video that directly addresses the subject matter at hand; < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXiumQjr0A >
Doctrine of Salvation Part 15: Analysis of the Perseverance of the Saints

My perspective is given in post #91:
Can a genuine, blood-bought, regenerated believer forfeit their salvation?

I believe a very important point that is missed by many lies in your statement, "Does your works bear the fruit of your Salvation or are your works constantly on evil and sin even though you are saved? Only God knows!"

The real question here is actually, "Are you a genuine believer"?, if so, the Holy Spirit will bear His fruit through you [to one degree or another], if not, there will be only superficial, fleshy endeavors to improve upon one's moral behavior [and counterfeit fruit of the Holy Spirit ... since He does not indwell them]. So yes, only God knows how to separate the genuine from the counterfeit.

A genuine believer does not, and cannot constantly sin [i.e. - practice sin habitually as a lifestyle], due to the radical change of nature that the Holy Spirit brought about at their regeneration.

1 John 3:9,"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."
And he cannot sin - Not merely he will not, but he cannot; that is, in the sense referred to. This cannot mean that one who is renewed has not physical ability to do wrong, for every moral agent has; nor can it mean that no one who is a true Christian never does, in fact, do wrong in thought, word, or deed, for no one could seriously maintain that: but it must mean that there is somehow a certainty as absolute "as if" it were physically impossible, that those who are born of God will not be characteristically and habitually sinners; that they will not sin in such a sense as to abandon their faith and be numbered with transgressors; that they will not fall away and perish. [refer to my post where it is more fully expounded on .... post #61 - it also addresses your statement about Matthew 7:21-23, "These people He is talking about are Christians".
Can a genuine, blood-bought, regenerated believer forfeit their salvation?

 

[BobRyan]

Yes indeed, we must "square" or "reconcile" the opposing streams of thought on any given topic in the Bible.
...
I believe a very important point that is missed by many lies in your statement, "Does your works bear the fruit of your Salvation or are your works constantly on evil and sin even though you are saved?

If the answer is "a born again believer cannot ever sin, or cannot ever fall from grace, or cannot be severed from Christ, or cannot have forgiveness revoked".

Then all the texts we found here - #2 that warn against that very thing happening - need to be deleted.

 

[Rapture Bound]

BobRyan replied, "Then all the texts we found here - #2 that warn against that very thing happening - need to be deleted."

Or, a better solution would be to understand the purpose of the warning passages ... God uses warning passages as just one of many means to keep true believers from falling away [thereby fulfilling His many promises to preserve all those who have received His free gift of eternal life ... Philippians 1:6; John 6:39; John 10:28-29 etc.].

1 Peter 1:6-7,"In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you
have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more
precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise,
honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,"

If a person has truly trusted in Christ's substitutionary death and subsequent
resurrection from the grave for the forgiveness of their sins, they have experienced saving faith (and have received eternal life by virtue of having been placed into union with Christ - the embodiment of eternal life).

"In this you greatly rejoice" (v.6):

The critical question that needs to be pondered here is: "If any genuine follower of
Christ will ever fail these trials to the destruction of their souls (the forfeiture of
their salvation), then how could the possibility of rejoicing in them even exist? After all,
the eternal destiny of their souls are yet to be determined, that is, if any one will
actually fail the test.

 

[disciple Clint]

I think the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved is correct but it's often taken out of context. There's parts of the Bible that seems to show this isn't true but it is true. Look at these verses:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These people He is talking about are Christians. There's other verses like this like when Jesus says Christians who are lukewarm will be spued out of his mouth.

The Bible also says work out your Salvation in fear and trembling.

How do we square these things? Salvation is a Gift Given by the Grace of God and not by works. Therefore, Salvation can't be lost.

I think the problem occurs because Salvation Saves us from sin and the consequences of sin which is death and destruction alongside satan and the fallen ones. Salvation doesn't save us from judgment unless you're in the 1st Resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I think we're saved from hell but not from being judged because you don't know if you're in the 1st Resurrection or if you will be resurrected at the second death. There's judgment at the second death.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

These verses seem to separate Christians from death and hell which are cast into the lake of fire. In verse 12, the dead may be Christians who are judged for their works.

You can't get Salvation through works, it's a Gift from God, but works are the fruits of your Salvation. You should want to read the Bible and pray to God more. You should have compassion for your neighbor.

This doesn't mean we will not struggle with our sinful nature but I think too many Pastor's are teaching once saved always saved without teaching about judgment and the second death. This is because it's easier to please itching ears and say sow a seed and get a new house or new car. They want the donation to continue to flow. They don't want to say anything that they think may turn people away.

I think it's about your heart at the end of the day. Look at David, he sinned and had moments of weakness but he's known as a man after God's own heart. Psalm 26:2 says:

Examine me, O Lord, and try me;
Test my mind and my heart.

On that day, you will not be able to lie to God. God knows what's truly in your heart. A person may have started off with a heart for God but God has become a means to an end for them and they have a heart for sin in order to obtain more riches.

So, if you teach once saved always saved without teaching work out your Salvation with fear and trembling, then you're hurting those you're teaching. You make it easier for them to be comfortable in their sin.

You're basically saying, sin it up because there's no consequences for your sin. The Bible says:

Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

I think these will be Christians at the 1st Resurrection and at the second death where sin will not be imputed. It's just there will be judgment for many Christians at the second death.

This is why I think it's dangerous to preach once save always saved without any context.

Romans 10:9 says:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

Yes, Christians are saved from the lake of fire reserved for satan, the beast and the false prophet but not from judgment for your works at the second death.

Does your works bear the fruit of your Salvation or are your works constantly on evil and sin even though you are saved? Only God knows!

These people He is talking about are Christians. There's other verses like this like when Jesus says Christians who are lukewarm will be spued out of his mouth.

No the people he was talking to were Pharisees

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan replied, "Then all the texts we found here - #2 that warn against that very thing happening - need to be deleted."

Or, a better solution would be to understand the purpose of the warning passages

God never warns against the impossible event. So no warnings about "letting too many elephants fall out of the sky". No warnings about "easter bunnies clogging your closet" no warnings against "sprouting wings and flying into the sun". The Bible does not give frivolous warnings "against the impossible event".

... God uses warning passages as just one of many means to keep true believers from falling away -- precisely because if they pay no heed to the warning - that is what really happens.

Persevering is just that. -- "persevering" -- so for example the "rocky ground" in Matt 13 starts off great - it "springs to life" and the person "accepts the Gospel with joy" -- but later fails.

The ten virgins of Matt 25 are all doing great at the start - but the 5 foolish run out of oil and have no extra oil in the added flask of oil they carry with them. Over time - they fail.

 

[BobRyan]

If a person has truly trusted in Christ's substitutionary death and subsequent
resurrection from the grave for the forgiveness of their sins, they have experienced saving faith .

Matt 18 does not say "I fake forgave you all that debt - so you should have fake forgiven others just as a I fake-forgave you". In fact if we insert "fake forgiveness" as in "not really forgiven" then the unforgiving servant did exactly the same thing to others as God had done to him -- he did not really forgive others.

Rom 11 does not say "you might have been standing by your faith if you were really a Christian". Rather it is "you STAND by your faith.. you should fear for if He did not spare them - neither will He spare you".

Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again.

In this text - Paul places the born again saved saint in the place of "an unbeliever" as he points to those who did not believe being cut off - and says to the saint "He will not spare you either".

"to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off."

21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

 

[Rapture Bound]

BobRyan, replied, "God never warns against the impossible event. So no warnings about "letting too many elephants fall out of the sky". No warnings about "easter bunnies clogging your closet" no warnings against "sprouting wings and flying into the sun". The Bible does not give frivolous warnings "against the impossible event".

Agreed, God doesn't warn against "impossible events", since they are possible events that will never actualize in the case of genuine believers .. they will heed those warnings. In other words, it is one thing to say that something is possible and impossible at the same time [which would be nonsensical], but it is entirely different to say that something that is possible will never actually come to pass IF certain conditions are meet [i.e. - if those warnings are heeded]. Understanding this truth is directly related to understanding the counterfactual truths that are given in the scriptures [most all theologians accept the fact that these counterfactual truths are clearly presented in scripture ... not just Molinists].

 

[testifier_uk]

Eternal life is Christ, no other is eternal life, the Spirit of truth, the Son of God, on the cross suffering for our sakes, giving forgiveness, kindness, a hope to follow Him in the way of life...



Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 10:17 He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.

Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

Proverbs 15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

I am with Augustine on this question:

Augustine (354-430): Of such says the apostle, “We know that to those that love God He worketh together all things for good, to them who are called according to His purpose; because those whom He before foreknew, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them He also glorified.” Of these no one perishes, because all are elected. And they are elected because they were called according to the purpose — the purpose, however, not their own, but God’s; of which He elsewhere says, “That the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth, it was said unto her that the elder shall serve the younger.” And in another place he says, “Not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace.” When, therefore, we hear,” Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called,” we ought to acknowledge that they were called according to His purpose; since He thence began, saying, “He worketh together all things for good to those who are called according to His purpose,” and then added, “Because those whom He before foreknew, He also did predestinate, to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren And to these promises He added, “Moreover, whom, He did predestinate, them He also called.” He wishes these, therefore, to be understood whom He called according to His purpose, lest any among them should be thought to be called and not elected, on account of that sentence of the Lord’s: “Many the called but few are elected.” For whoever are elected are without doubt also called; but not whosoever are called are as a consequence elected. Those, then, are elected, as has often been said, who are called according to the purpose, who also are predestinated and foreknown. If any one of these perishes, God is mistaken; but none of them perishes, because God is not mistaken. If any one of these perish, God is overcome by human sin; but none of them perishes, because God is overcome by nothing. Moreover, they are elected to reign with Christ, not as Judas was elected, to a work for which he was fitted. Because he was chosen by Him who well knew how to make use even of wicked men, so that even by his damnable deed that venerable work, for the sake of which He Himself had come, might be accomplished. When, therefore, we hear, “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?” we ought to understand that the rest were elected by mercy, but he by judgment; those to obtain His kingdom, he to shed His blood! NPNF1: Vol. V, A Treatise on Rebuke and Grace, Chapter 14, None of the Elect and Predestinated Can Perish.

 

[testifier_uk]

Conformed to the image of the Son.



Romans 12:2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


Therefore they do perish, their outward man that is, to renew the inward man day by day.

The afflictions ( of Christ) decide all of this, to work the eternal weight ( of glory)

To achieve this was described( and exampled by the true Apostles of the true Lord God) by not looking at all that there is to be seen of this temporal world, but by only seeing ( and then following that pattern of) the eternal and righteous ways that have always been ) and will always be) knowing man was just a temporary necessity to long suffer and endure..


2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[fhansen]

I think the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved is correct but it's often taken out of context. There's parts of the Bible that seems to show this isn't true but it is true. Look at these verses:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These people He is talking about are Christians. There's other verses like this like when Jesus says Christians who are lukewarm will be spued out of his mouth.

The Bible also says work out your Salvation in fear and trembling.

How do we square these things? Salvation is a Gift Given by the Grace of God and not by works. Therefore, Salvation can't be lost.

I think the problem occurs because Salvation Saves us from sin and the consequences of sin which is death and destruction alongside satan and the fallen ones. Salvation doesn't save us from judgment unless you're in the 1st Resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I think we're saved from hell but not from being judged because you don't know if you're in the 1st Resurrection or if you will be resurrected at the second death. There's judgment at the second death.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

These verses seem to separate Christians from death and hell which are cast into the lake of fire. In verse 12, the dead may be Christians who are judged for their works.

You can't get Salvation through works, it's a Gift from God, but works are the fruits of your Salvation. You should want to read the Bible and pray to God more. You should have compassion for your neighbor.

This doesn't mean we will not struggle with our sinful nature but I think too many Pastor's are teaching once saved always saved without teaching about judgment and the second death. This is because it's easier to please itching ears and say sow a seed and get a new house or new car. They want the donation to continue to flow. They don't want to say anything that they think may turn people away.

I think it's about your heart at the end of the day. Look at David, he sinned and had moments of weakness but he's known as a man after God's own heart. Psalm 26:2 says:

Examine me, O Lord, and try me;
Test my mind and my heart.

On that day, you will not be able to lie to God. God knows what's truly in your heart. A person may have started off with a heart for God but God has become a means to an end for them and they have a heart for sin in order to obtain more riches.

So, if you teach once saved always saved without teaching work out your Salvation with fear and trembling, then you're hurting those you're teaching. You make it easier for them to be comfortable in their sin.

You're basically saying, sin it up because there's no consequences for your sin. The Bible says:

Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

I think these will be Christians at the 1st Resurrection and at the second death where sin will not be imputed. It's just there will be judgment for many Christians at the second death.

This is why I think it's dangerous to preach once save always saved without any context.

Romans 10:9 says:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

Yes, Christians are saved from the lake of fire reserved for satan, the beast and the false prophet but not from judgment for your works at the second death.

Does your works bear the fruit of your Salvation or are your works constantly on evil and sin even though you are saved? Only God knows!

The church has never taught OSAS. We're delivered from sin/unrighteousness and its condemnation, unto righteousness which we're expected to walk in now that we finally have the only authentic means to achieve it, by the Spirit, in union with God as opposed to the way we're born, dead, alienated from Him. Man was made for communion with God and only in a state of loving subjugation to Him can we begin to be who we were created to be. And we weren't created to be sinners. That relationship is entered into via faith-and it's the basis of justice/righteousness for man.

“…just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Rom 5:21

“For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.” Rom 6:6

“Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” Rom 6:16

"And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:3-4

“Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.” Rom 8:12-13