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Well, he now knows that you are indeed able to create apples ex nihilo - why shouldn't he? If a complete stranger shows me the result of a very difficult task he claims to be able to perform, I'd believe that he really did it if he lets me watch him do it a second time.Okay --- I'll go that route for a moment --- even though it wasn't a "trick."
You get a camera. I comply and put a second apple into the palm of your hand, this time in front of the camera. You take it to your friend, show him the video, and he believes you --- for that apple.
What evidence would you show him though, that I created the first apple ex nihilo?
Yes, he would.And he would be wrong in not believing you, wouldn't he?
Well, he now knows that you are indeed able to create apples ex nihilo - why shouldn't he? If a complete stranger shows me the result of a very difficult task he claims to be able to perform, I'd believe that he really did it if he lets me watch him do it a second time.
No, it would be a matter of evidence. Evidence that you can indeed do what you claim to do. If you create an apple in front of me, it would be reasonable to believe you when you show me a second apple and claim you created that one too.IOW --- none --- right? It would be a matter of faith, would it not?
No, it would be a matter of evidence. Evidence that you can indeed do what you claim to do. If you create an apple in front of me, it would be reasonable to believe you when you show me a second apple and claim you created that one too.
He saw you doing what you claimed you were able to do. That is not faith by any definition.Didn't you just tell me that you would take that video of me creating the second apple, and use it as evidence that I created the first apple?
In other words, your friend would accept the first apple's creation by faith --- not by sight.
He saw you doing what you claimed you were able to do. That is not faith by any definition.
I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.Meanwhile NO evidence for creationism has been presented.
I think that he did a pretty good job of pwning it. We could bring it to a vote if you'd like.You didn't do diddly with that.
It is not just that there is no evidence that God created the earth ex nihilo 6,000 years ago, there is massive evidence that the earth has been around for far more than 6,000 years.He saw me create the second apple, not the first; and if he ends up believing in the first apple, then it's on faith, not sight.
In fact, he wouldn't even know the first apple was ex nihilo, if you hadn't of told him.
So I contend that even if we had a video of God creating, say, Mars ex nihilo, it wouldn't make any difference to you armchair scientists.
You'd just be saying, "Show me He created Earth, ex nihilo; then I'll believe it."
God made Adam a perfect 30 year old man. If ignorance is going to insist that 2 billion years is necessary to establish an environmentally stable world, then there is nothing GOD is going to do to dissuade that religious logic outside of a salvation revelation/awakening.It is not just that there is no evidence that God created the earth ex nihilo 6,000 years ago, there is massive evidence that the earth has been around for far more than 6,000 years.
Your version of the Omphalos hypothesis may be unfalsifiable if God is a deceiver who deliberately made an earth with 4.5 billion years of apparent history and then not only covered up all evidence of the global flood he created but also created massive evidence that no such flood occured but it has all the philosophical problems of the orginal Omphalos hypothesis.
Now since you have admited that there is no evidence for creationism why don't go away and let some other YEC have a try (and you are a YEC whether you admit it or not, remember if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc. ) Or do you just want to keep distracting attention from the fact that there is no evidence for creationism?
A belief that the world is only 6,000 years old requires either ignorance or ignore-ance of geology and many other aspects of science so please don't call those who know far more than you about these topics ignorant. Now are you invoking the deceptive God of the Omphalos Hypothesis. OK but that still leaves you with no evidence for creationism.God made Adam a perfect 30 year old man. If ignorance is going to insist that 2 billion years is necessary to establish an environmentally stable world, then there is nothing GOD is going to do to dissuade that religious logic outside of a salvation revelation/awakening.
You didn't do diddly with that.
God made Adam a perfect 30 year old man.
Oh, for Pete's sake --- I stopped right here, Phred.
No offense, if you don't want to take the challenge, don't; but don't try to unnecessarily convolute this to the point where the point I'm making can't be made.
Alright, AVI, just answer me this:
What's your point? What do you hope to prove by asking this question? Then I'll answer it.
Sorry, Deadbolt, you should have never started it --- as much as I've referenced people to my Apple Challenge.
(To tell you the truth, I'm waiting for Thaumaturgy to come on here and answer it in his own words. If he doesn't, I'll answer it, myself; unless someone comes up with the answer.)
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