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On the torments of Hell

JM

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I think we should have compassion on the most compassionate Being, God, who is affronted daily by us and yet, does not destroy us. Even the reprobate live off the grace God gives to His people and they shake their fists at Him and deny Him daily in thought, word and deed. Lets have compassion on the most compassionate God of the Bible and consider Him first.

(This rant was not directed at anyone but me, I need to remind myself often throughout the day that the universe does not revolve around me or what I think or feel, but around Him! :preach: May God have mercy.)


 
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Here's a link to a "classic" sermon by Jonathan Edwards during the "Great Awakening" entitled: Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

"As the Great Awakening swept across Massachusetts in the 1740s, Jonathan Edwards, a minister and supporter of George Whitefield, delivered what would become one of the most famous sermons from the colonial era, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God." The sermon featured a frightening central image: the hand of all-powerful God dangling a terrified believer over a fiery pit, ready on a moment's notice to drop him into the flames of eternal damnation. Edwards hoped his sermon would wake up the faithful and remind them of the terrible fate that awaited them if they failed to confess their sins and to seek God's mercy.

"Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" eclipsed Edwards' more important contribution to religion in America. The son and grandson of preachers, he not only became a minister but also one of the greatest theologians in American history. His precocious intelligence and range of intellect was evident early on. He learned Latin, read Newton's Optics and wrote about rainbows and the captivating movement of spiders. Reveling in nature, he found "a divine glory, in almost everything." He described his own religious experience in almost mystical terms, as being "swallowed up by God."

A prodigious writer, Edwards produced volumes of sermons, journals and observations. His capacious mind engaged two persistent religious questions that transcend time: What is the nature of religious experience? What is the source of religious authority? The question of experience arose with urgency during the Great Awakening. Heeding the calls of Whitefield and his followers, men and women frequently engaged in flamboyant displays of emotional excess, often accompanied by extreme bodily movements. Boston minister Charles Chauncy sharply criticized this behavior, arguing that people were being tricked by their overheated imaginations into calling the result true religion. Reason, not emotion or "animal instinct," he argued, must govern religious experience.

Jonathan Edwards demurred. In his Treatise on Religious Affectations, he defended the place of emotion in religious experience not as "animal instinct," but as part of human will. At the same time, he questioned whether subjective experience alone could serve as the source of religious authority. He concluded that individuals could not rely solely on their own spiritual experience, however luminous it appeared. Satan, Edwards warned, stood ever ready to appeal to human self-centeredness.

By the time he died in 1758, Edwards had left behind a formidable body of work that addressed topics that have occupied Christian thinkers for nearly 2,000 years: the nature of sin, the will and virtue. As his biographer Perry Miller noted, Edwards treated these topics "in the manner of Augustine, Aquinas, and Pascal, not as problems of dogma, but of life." - PBS God in America

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God: One-Day Curriculum Unit (Yale)
 
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This sounds immoral to me.

It is a dangerous method to use human morality to evaluate things of God. You cannot weigh God, his acts, or his commands in your scales of goodness. Christian thinking rejects the notion that there is a morality independent of God’s assertion with respect to it. It was Socrates the pagan philosopher who insisted that he wanted himself to be the ultimate judge of the nature of Goodness, and that he did not care what God said about it. To the comment "It's immoral," the Bible answers "Who are you, O man, to talk back to God?" God is not on trial. It is man who is on trial.

If God hates another being, that hatred is a virtuous hatred. Psalm 5:5, "Thou dost hate all who do iniquity." And if God asks us to delight in the observation of his curses of nonbelievers, that delight is an uncorrupt delight. Revelation 18:20; 19:3, "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her….And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever."
 
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Romans 7 comes to mind. It is not the fear of hell that causes us to think of hell, but our lack of true holiness and our right understanding that we truly, without Christ, deserve hell.

How does a Saint come to "shout from the rooftops" of God's love unless they rightly discern their sinfulness?

I believe if we start at our own depravity and lack of holiness the Puritans were correct to think on hell for the obverse side of the coin is heaven. We, in ourselves, deserve hell and this is brought to our minds and brought into the focus of our conscience daily through the experimental teaching of God the Holy Spirit. We groan in this body of death knowing we are saved but unworthy...that we are saved by Christ alone and humbled that we are accepted in the beloved. Knowing our fate without Christ makes us shout from the rooftops of God's amazing grace and love for His people.

jm

I wholeheartedly agree. I was not implying that we should not preach on Hell. As you say, it serves to remind us from what we have been saved and to enlighten/convict those who are not saved.

My point was merely that thinking/preaching/etc. too much now on how Christians will rejoice when they see the wicked tormented for eternity can lead to a callous view of said sinners here and now.

God is just, and He is glorified in His justice . . . but He has currently extended mercy to those whom would believe, and He has commanded us to love our enemies and to spread His gospel.

There is a fine balance between God's justice/wrath and his mercy/love, and I, for one, was raised in a church where His justice/wrath were elevated above His mercy/love . . . the ratio of sermons for one to the other was definitely lopsided, to say the least. God is more than one dimensional, and we need to rejoice and ponder ALL His ways (that He has revealed).
 
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I would hope it would be difficult to swallow for any compassionate man. A 'regenerate' man especially.
Compassion has nothing to do with God's just wrath against the wicked. My heart breaks for those who do not know the peace and love that is in Christ. It does so because I know that I deserve the same fate as they. But we must never allow our emotions and compassion to drive us into a compromise of the truth. Compromise always starts with the little things and like a snowball it grows.
 
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