On the subject of abortion

[KET20]

Are you against laws? They control the lives of others. Its not just her body she is messing with. It is also the babies. Why should a woman be able to kill her baby before birth but not after?

I don't know about the person you directed this to, but I wanted to answer this anyway. I'm not against laws in general per say, but I am against laws that make my reproductive choices for me.

 

[Randy89]

This sums of how I currently view abortion that is not necessary for the mothers life.

 

[LightHorseman]

Are you against laws? They control the lives of others. Its not just her body she is messing with. It is also the babies. Why should a woman be able to kill her baby before birth but not after?

You can't kill a baby before its born... because before its born, its not a baby

 

[LightHorseman]

The mother would be selfish, inhumane, a deadbeat mum if she had the baby and then neglected it. Thats not what abortion results in.

The dead beat dad does not decide not to be a father, he decides he doesn't want to take part in his child's life. He is still a father, nevertheless. You are comparing apples and oranges

 

[Followers4christ]

Abortion is murder simple as that.God Bless

 

[Followers4christ]

You can't kill a baby before its born... because before its born, its not a baby

Check out these links to see photographic evidence of what abortion really is:

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-photos22.html

http://www.abortiontruth.com/pictures.html

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/

http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html


For ultrasound pictures check out this link:

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/

 

[IzzyPop]

Check out these links to see photographic evidence of what abortion really is:

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-photos22.html

http://www.abortiontruth.com/pictures.html

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/

http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html


For ultrasound pictures check out this link:

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/

Really? If abortion is murder, you just showed us snuff pictures. Nice.

 

[karisma]

It doesn't matter about your opinion on abortion when you are dismissing the right of [eople to their life.
The right to life is the foundation from God and man on all rights. Its the great moral conclusion of society that all people can not be killed by7 anyone for anything except in the settled principals of society. Self defence and war/punishment. You argue in vain against this. You're wrong about pro-choice motivation. It is so based on the rejection the foetus is a real life human being. Thats why they don't call it a child but use other non-human idenity words. Words matter.

They are using correct medical terminology. Just like calling it a "uterus" instead of "mommy's tummy." In any case, I've already repeatedly shown you that it doesn't matter whether you consider a fetus to be human. Just like born humans, it does not have the right to violate another person's body against their will.

If you agree to the killing of a innocent person then one is a murderer.

Did you donate blood today? Bone marrow? Give up a kidney? Guess what, some innocent person died or is going to die because of your selfish choice. Welcome to the realm of murderers- according to your POV.

The right to life is inalienable and it will destroy abortion in America in time along with the conviction the unborn child is a people like everyone else.

It might be inalienable, but so is the right to own your own body. And as no born person is allowed to violate other's bodies, a fetus cannot either.

 

[karisma]

Are you against laws? They control the lives of others. Its not just her body she is messing with. It is also the babies. Why should a woman be able to kill her baby before birth but not after?

She is allowed to have it removed from her body- the fact that the process kills it is secondary.

 

[karisma]

Abortion is murder simple as that.God Bless

Abortion is not murder. Simple as that.

 

[karisma]

Check out these links to see photographic evidence of what abortion really is:

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-photos22.html

http://www.abortiontruth.com/pictures.html

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/

http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html


For ultrasound pictures check out this link:

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/

I can post some really gory pictures of a triple bypass. I guess the gross factor determines whether a medical procedure should be used.

 

[Kroger99]

Abortion is not murder. Simple as that.

You are correct... Abortion is not murder, at least not in America. But it should be!

 

[Followers4christ]

I can post some really gory pictures of a triple bypass. I guess the gross factor determines whether a medical procedure should be used.

They (the pictures, in the links in my last post) depict the bloody, dismembered remains of human beings after a surgical abortion. While these images are incredibly shocking and gory, they are no more shocking than the act of abortion itself. And so long as this injustice is hidden, it will continue to be ignored.Abortion isn't about choice it’s about the systematic slaughter of innocent human beings. These photographs are real and untouched, depicting the brutal reality that daily occurs behind sterile clinic doors. Until you see what abortion does, you will never understand what abortion is.In the court of law, there is little testimony more powerful than photographic evidence.Abortion photographs help establish the reality that abortion is a brutal act of violence.God Bless

 

[cantata]

They (the pictures, in the links in my last post) depict the bloody, dismembered remains of human beings after a surgical abortion. While these images are incredibly shocking and gory, they are no more shocking than the act of abortion itself. And so long as this injustice is hidden, it will continue to be ignored.Abortion isn't about choice it’s about the systematic slaughter of innocent human beings. These photographs are real and untouched, depicting the brutal reality that daily occurs behind sterile clinic doors. Until you see what abortion does, you will never understand what abortion is.In the court of law, there is little testimony more powerful than photographic evidence.Abortion photographs help establish the reality that abortion is a brutal act of violence.God Bless

Should how upsetting something looks be the basis of deciding whether it is ethical?

 

[Randy89]

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[Randy89]

The mother would be selfish, inhumane, a deadbeat mum if she had the baby and then neglected it. Thats not what abortion results in.

The dead beat dad does not decide not to be a father, he decides he doesn't want to take part in his child's life. He is still a father, nevertheless. You are comparing apples and oranges

Who said she had to neglect it? But killing it is not selfish or inhumane?
He consented to sex knowingly that it could end in pregnancy.

They are using correct medical terminology. Just like calling it a "uterus" instead of "mommy's tummy." In any case, I've already repeatedly shown you that it doesn't matter whether you consider a fetus to be human. Just like born humans, it does not have the right to violate another person's body against their will.


Did you donate blood today? Bone marrow? Give up a kidney? Guess what, some innocent person died or is going to die because of your selfish choice. Welcome to the realm of murderers- according to your POV.



It might be inalienable, but so is the right to own your own body. And as no born person is allowed to violate other's bodies, a fetus cannot either.

Is abortion not violating the fetus' body?
Is there an extreme blood, marrow, or kidney shortage? Or is this just a strawman?

Should how upsetting something looks be the basis of deciding whether it is ethical?

I think it is to prove that it is not just a clump of cells like some pro choice people call it.

You can't kill a baby before its born... because before its born, its not a baby

Can you prove this statement?

 

[IzzyPop]

Who said she had to neglect it? But killing it is not selfish or inhumane?
He consented to sex knowingly that it could end in pregnancy.

And you know that getting in a car could result in an accident. Yet we still allow people recourse to go to the auto mechanic to fix the car. Or the doctor to fix themselves.

Is abortion not violating the fetus' body?

Yes. But it is considered of lesser importance.

Is there an extreme blood, marrow, or kidney shortage?

Yes.

Or is this just a strawman?

No.

I think it is to prove that it is not just a clump of cells like some pro choice people call it.

But what about me? I do see a fetus as a child. Even a human child. I think abortion is abhorrent. I just find the idea of other people making such decisions for other to be even more so.

Can you prove this statement?

It doesn't matter. Whether or not it is a baby before it is born does not give it the right to use resources it has no claim to.

 

[karisma]

Is abortion not violating the fetus' body?

The fetus is violating the woman's body by residing there without her permission. The woman has the right to bodily integrity and has the right to have the intruder removed, as no one has any rights to use another's body against their will.

Is there an extreme blood, marrow, or kidney shortage? Or is this just a strawman?

Actually, there is. "In the United States, more than 84,000 men, women and children are waiting for organ transplants." http://www.organtransplants.org/understanding/unos/

 

[DeathMagus]

Actually, there is. "In the United States, more than 84,000 men, women and children are waiting for organ transplants." http://www.organtransplants.org/understanding/unos/

Case in point - I get at least 3 emails per week, all but begging me to stop in and donate blood - they've gotten more and more desperate over the last year.

 

[TooCurious]

Are you against laws? They control the lives of others. Its not just her body she is messing with. It is also the babies. Why should a woman be able to kill her baby before birth but not after?

Because after birth, it isn't living inside of her body without her permission, or using up bits of her body without her permission, or making significant changes in her physiology without her permission.

No born person has the right to force another person to give up bits of his or her body (blood, bone marrow, a kidney, or other tissue) against his or her will, even if that person is the only available donor and his failure to donate will mean the first person's death. No unborn person can or should have more rights than a born person. Thus, no unborn person has the right to force a woman to give up her blood and other bodily resources--to say nothing of the occupancy of her body--to it against her will, even if the alternative means its death.