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On the subject of abortion

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If you're having sex because you find it enjoyable, you're doing it wrong. :preach:
I don't really care what reasons you have sex... I'd just prefer that you not kill your baby if and when you (or yours) get knocked up.
 
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I actually know a woman who got pregnant after her husband got a vasectomy. So those "other ways of lessening the odds" can still lead to pregnancy. Are you still not okay with a child-free couple getting an abortion if that happened to them?

Plus, not every doctor is okay with giving a man a vasectomy unless he's a) over 30, or b) has at least one child already. So are you saying that men under 30 who want to remain child-free should just never have sex with their wife at all?
I am almost never okay with the killing of a child.... born or un-born.
 
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Trust me... this one isn't that heated :thumbsup:
but, did you know that you have the exact same views as those that used to be Pro-Abortion?
*sigh* It's pro-choice, not pro-abortion, since we're perfectly fine with women choosing to put their child up for adoption or choosing to become a mother. We don't try to promote abortion over the two other choices.
 
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Makes me wonder if some Christians think that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] are "evil."

Some do - but (I think) very few in this day and age. It used to be much more prevalent. Sucked for you women. :p
 
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I don't really care what reasons you have sex... I'd just prefer that you not kill your baby if and when you (or yours) get knocked up.

Killing babies is definately wrong... but at what point do we consider them "babies"?
 
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*sigh* It's pro-choice, not pro-abortion, since we're perfectly fine with women choosing to put their child up for adoption or choosing to become a mother. We don't try to promote abortion over the two other choices.

Thank you!! You'd think people would understand the distinction... :doh:
 
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Well we've gone around. You start out saying you think abortion kills a person and then you dismiss them as embroyls and foetes (sp).
You lose.
You can't take our god given and man agreed right to life from us and so if the child in the womb is a child then its right to life must be defended as the great priority.
i've shown the difference between abortion and denying a kidney. I'll let the voters decide you made the accurate case on this point.
Why not love these children and not consent to their deaths (if you believe they are people).
Your right that to kill them means mankinds rights to life must be made null and void.
If these people can' be murdered on whim then all people can.
 
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Your wrong. The inalienable right to life is not conditional on location. Its to keep one alive from unwarrented death by people. Surely this is so.

The organs and avortion is not the same as I explained.

The right to bodily integrity can not overrule the right to life. The bodily one is cancelled by the baby having the same right. There is no such right as such anyways.
Bodily rights could never be used to justify killing another person. Abortion is based in law on the denial kills a person at all.
You got to do better if you want o persuade those who believe abortion kills a person.
 
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*sigh* It's pro-choice, not pro-abortion, since we're perfectly fine with women choosing to put their child up for adoption or choosing to become a mother. We don't try to promote abortion over the two other choices.
I was just making an observation that both have the same views, which is true. You see, I'm old enough to remember when they changed their name. ;)
 
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Your wrong. The inalienable right to life is not conditional on location. Its to keep one alive from unwarrented death by people. Surely this is so.

The organs and avortion is not the same as I explained.

The right to bodily integrity can not overrule the right to life.
And you just contradicted yourself in back-to-back sentences.

If the right to life is paramount to all else, then we should be forced to give up organs, blood, and tissue to keep others alive.

The bodily one is cancelled by the baby having the same right. There is no such right as such anyways.
Of course there is. Consider it as under the liberty heading. You are attempting to take liberty from another human based on your opinion.

Bodily rights could never be used to justify killing another person.
Ever hear of self-defense?
Abortion is based in law on the denial kills a person at all.
Wrong. It is based on value. The mother's life and liberty are seen as more important than the 'child's'.
You got to do better if you want o persuade those who believe abortion kills a person.
And you need to do better if you want to persuade people that believe an actual is more valuable than a potential.
 
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I was just making an observation that both have the same views, which is true.
Wrong. See pro-abortion would mean that one is in favor of aborting. Most people are not. Pro-choice, however, means that one is in favor of keeping it the woman's choice. Huge difference.

The only reason to call someone 'pro-abortion' is to appeal to emotion and attempt to denigrate your opposition. It is no different than someone calling you anti-choice or a misogynist.
You see, I'm old enough to remember when they changed their name. ;)
I remember when some racial epitaphs were considered okay in certain company. Things change.
 
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I was just making an observation that both have the same views, which is true. You see, I'm old enough to remember when they changed their name. ;)
Well, nowadays, they both mean different things. I already explained what "pro-choice" means, and "pro-abortion" means that you only want women to get abortions and you don't want them to put their child up for adoption or choose motherhood. Now do you understand how "pro-choice" doesn't mean the same thing as "pro-abortion" in this day and age?
 
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Wrong. See pro-abortion would mean that one is in favor of aborting. Most people are not. Pro-choice, however, means that one is in favor of keeping it the woman's choice. Huge difference.

The only reason to call someone 'pro-abortion' is to appeal to emotion and attempt to denigrate your opposition. It is no different than someone calling you anti-choice or a misogynist.
I remember when some racial epitaphs were considered okay in certain company. Things change.
Whatever makes you feel better.... lol
At the time when Pro-Abortionist changed their name to Pro-Choice, they had the same views. By your definition in today's standards, there is no such thing as Pro-Abortion. The stance is the same. There was only a name change. But thats okay.... whatever makes you feel better about being okay with killing un-born babies. :prayer:
 
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So you don't care about people, then, you only care about fetuses. Wow. Well isn't that just lovely of you. (Sarcasm.)
Of coarse I care about people. Why else would I want to stop baby killing. :thumbsup:
 
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Of coarse I care about people. Why else would I want to stop baby killing. :thumbsup:
Little hint: just because you consider an unthinking, unfeeling, unknowing first-trimester fetus to be "a person" doesn't mean that it actually is a person. Your opinion is not fact, you know.
 
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Whatever makes you feel better.... lol
At the time when Pro-Abortionist changed their name to Pro-Choice, they had the same views. By your definition in today's standards, there is no such thing as Pro-Abortion. The stance is the same. There was only a name change. But thats okay.... whatever makes you feel better about being okay with killing un-born babies. :prayer:
So, then, do you think that we should go back to the original U.S. definition of marriage: a union between one white man and one white woman? If not, then why not? You are against changing the definitions of words, aren't you?
 
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Little hint: just because you consider an unthinking, unfeeling, unknowing first-trimester fetus to be "a person" doesn't mean that it actually is a person. Your opinion is not fact, you know.
Nor is yours. :)
 
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