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Mutual submission doesn't sound like submission at all to me, so I personally don't see the point in using that word to refer to an egalitarian relationship model. It's not very useful.
I once heard that women are first told to respect him because then they automatically also love him or that that comes first or something.Where wives are advised to submit to their husbands, husbands are advised to love and cherish their wives.
does this mean wives aren't also meant to love and cherish their husbands and husbands aren't meant to submit to their wives? what do you think?
It can soften attitudes towards one's spouse in many cases. Sometimes it even works both ways.I once heard that women are first told to respect him because then they automatically also love him or that that comes first or something.
I even read about a woman who just for no good reason, she was angry with her family or something, just married some guy she didn't even love and when she got saved she started to respect him and listen to him and do what the Bible says and then she really loved him and they got a good marriage.
That's fair. It adds the fact that they're both giving to each other.egalitarian, puts emphasis on personal liberty and equality
mutual submission, puts its emphasis on the Christian ideal of self sacrifice
I just tend not to like the term "submission" because of the connotations. Usually when people use the term in a religious context, they're saying what they think other people should do rather than talking about it as something that they want to do. I have no problem with people freely choosing it, but being brainwashed into it is another beast entirely. I'm actually much more comfortable with the way that D/s relationships function in non-religious contexts.still kind of a clunky inorganic term
I just tend not to like the term "submission" because of the connotations. Usually when people use the term in a religious context, they're saying what they think other people should do rather than talking about it as something that they want to do. I have no problem with people freely choosing it, but being brainwashed into it is another beast entirely. I'm actually much more comfortable with the way that D/s relationships function in non-religious contexts.
I'm not really sure how a person can be brainwashed into not adopting gender roles that have almost completely been constructed by culture. That idea seems a bit strange to me. I wouldn't say that I've been brainwashed into rejecting Sharia law, for example. It would first have to be relevant to my life and cultural experience for me to have "rejected" it.really?
I was thinking something kind of the opposite
many people seem "brainwashed" into rejecting traditional gender roles
rhamiel, sorry what's a d/s relationship?
er..I don't understand. in the Bible, the husband isn't called to 'dominate' his wife, he's advised to 'love and cherish' her. While the wife is advised to 'submit' that does not mean the husband is to dominate. Being a head doesn't mean you dominate, otherwise Jesus would 'dominate' us, because he is the head of the church. I've never regarded Jesus as a 'dominator'. He leads us, yet he serves us, he comes in the form of a servant. I guess that's the paradox...
Yes, but there's a whole spectrum of power dynamics in relationships. I was just using the term to encompass them all. If one person in a relationship has the final word in the household and is seen as the HOH and spiritual head, that's one version. That's a dominant trait.I think she meant Dominant and Submissive relationships
where one party is the "Dom" and the other party is the "Sub"
It's a loose term. If one person is submitting to the will of the other, that's a power dynamic. Is this not the sort of submission that you're thinking of?er..I don't understand. in the Bible, the husband isn't called to 'dominate' his wife, he's advised to 'love and cherish' her. While the wife is advised to 'submit' that does not mean the husband is to dominate.
many people seem "brainwashed" into rejecting traditional gender roles
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