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On Liturgical Continuity: An Exultation

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Christ is Risen!

Blessings during this Paschal octave. These 50 days are truly "one great Lord's Day" as St. Athanasius put it.

Currently, I am engaging in an in-depth study of the Scriptures, but I am also researching things liturgical. My current engrossment revolves around liturgical comparisons between ancient Roman liturgies (mostly 7th to 16th centuries) with modern liturgical books (mostly the 1962 and 1970 Missals of St. John XXIII and St. Paul VI, respectively).

My studies are still in their commencement (and to be honest, I have already reviewed many of these things before), yet I have already found much evidence for rejoicing in gratitude to Holy Mother Church.

Essentially, what I have been reminded of in these studies is how the worship we are able experience in newer liturgical books of the Roman Rite mirror so exceptionally what exists in earlier liturgical books. They are not exactly the same mind you, but the general form and even some minute details are, indeed, virtually identical. This reminder and re-realization led me to a sense of exultation and gratitude at being Catholic.

For example, the current Lord's Day Mass foreseen by both the 1962 and 1970 Missals almost exactly follows (again, mostly in basic structure but also in particulars too) not only Roman liturgies from the 11th-16th centuries, but also even early liturgies like those of the 7th century! This is remarkable, because it demonstrates that the basic structure of the Mass has remained essentially unchanged since the antiquity of Pope St. Gregory the Great. See for yourself! Here are three books that describe ancient liturgies which can be found for free on the interwebs:

First, there is an old facsimile of what is known as the "Ordo Romanus Primus" (First Roman Order) which describes the liturgy of the Roman Church in about the end of the 7th century. Additionally, it contains a reconstruction of the Mass likely known to St. Augustine in North Africa in an appendix. What you will find by way of comparison is that the central rites are mirrored in both the ancient and modern Missals. Noticeable differences are present of course, but the core rites and even some exact prayers are the same. This is extremely fortunate, because it means that the Mass we experience (on the books at least) in our local parishes reflects the Mass of our Christian forefathers in Rome during the Patristic period!

Secondly, there is an excellent work called "The Mass of the Roman Rite" by the great liturgist Fr. Josef Jungmann, S.J. It has recently been made freely available by Corpus Christi Watershed, and the text lays out the basic Roman stational services of the 7th century. It also discusses how each part of the Mass (in this case, that found in the 1962 Missal) developed over the centuries, noting the places where very ancient forms survive to this day.

Third, there is the monumental study on the Roman liturgy by the great English liturgist, Fr. Adrian Fortescue (who also wrote a ceremonial still used today in the Extraordinary Form). It establishes how much of the Roman Rite as it was celebrated in the early 20th century reflects some of the most ancient liturgical origins and developments.

These are but three examples. I could also reference Fr. Denis Crouan's excellent comparison of the 11th century Mass in Rome with the 1970 Missal of St. Paul VI, in which he shows how remarkably similar the Vatican II Missal is with the 11th century Roman-Frankish Mass-types. Highly recommended!

But the general point that all of this has instilled in me is how truly blessed we are in the Latin Church to have liturgical forms which have survived the ravages of both history and ecclesial changes. Like our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters, our Roman Rite is ancient and venerable, even in the most modern recension. As Fr. Adrian Fortescue wrote so powerfully:

"Our Mass goes back, without essential change, to the age when it first developed out of the oldest liturgy of all. It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our enquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours."

I rejoice in this knowledge, and I thank God for it. We have a Church that is ever ancient and ever new; a conserving and reforming Church. We have a tradition that both carries forward the practices and faith of our fathers, yet also can adapt itself to the signs of the times (yet without losing the connection with the past!). It is, I think, part of the miracle that is the Catholic Church, our Holy Mother.

As we wait for public Masses to resume again in earnest, I hope all of us can grow in understanding and appreciating the precious treasure that is our Mass. May we also be inspired to desire and strive for liturgical excellence in our celebrations, each according to our own state of life.

Popes St. Leo the Great, St. Sergius I, St. Gregory the Great, St. Pius V, St. Pius X, St. John XXIII, St. Paul VI, St. John Paul the Great, pray for us!

Just wanted to share my joy.
 

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Christ is Risen!

Blessings during this Paschal octave. These 50 days are truly "one great Lord's Day" as St. Athanasius put it.

Currently, I am engaging in an in-depth study of the Scriptures, but I am also researching things liturgical. My current engrossment revolves around liturgical comparisons between ancient Roman liturgies (mostly 7th to 16th centuries) with modern liturgical books (mostly the 1962 and 1970 Missals of St. John XXIII and St. Paul VI, respectively).

My studies are still in their commencement (and to be honest, I have already reviewed many of these things before), yet I have already found much evidence for rejoicing in gratitude to Holy Mother Church.

Essentially, what I have been reminded of in these studies is how the worship we are able experience in newer liturgical books of the Roman Rite mirror so exceptionally what exists in earlier liturgical books. They are not exactly the same mind you, but the general form and even some minute details are, indeed, virtually identical. This reminder and re-realization led me to a sense of exultation and gratitude at being Catholic.

For example, the current Lord's Day Mass foreseen by both the 1962 and 1970 Missals almost exactly follows (again, mostly in basic structure but also in particulars too) not only Roman liturgies from the 11th-16th centuries, but also even early liturgies like those of the 7th century! This is remarkable, because it demonstrates that the basic structure of the Mass has remained essentially unchanged since the antiquity of Pope St. Gregory the Great. See for yourself! Here are three books that describe ancient liturgies which can be found for free on the interwebs:

First, there is an old facsimile of what is known as the "Ordo Romanus Primus" (First Roman Order) which describes the liturgy of the Roman Church in about the end of the 7th century. Additionally, it contains a reconstruction of the Mass likely known to St. Augustine in North Africa in an appendix. What you will find by way of comparison is that the central rites are mirrored in both the ancient and modern Missals. Noticeable differences are present of course, but the core rites and even some exact prayers are the same. This is extremely fortunate, because it means that the Mass we experience (on the books at least) in our local parishes reflects the Mass of our Christian forefathers in Rome during the Patristic period!

Secondly, there is an excellent work called "The Mass of the Roman Rite" by the great liturgist Fr. Josef Jungmann, S.J. It has recently been made freely available by Corpus Christi Watershed, and the text lays out the basic Roman stational services of the 7th century. It also discusses how each part of the Mass (in this case, that found in the 1962 Missal) developed over the centuries, noting the places where very ancient forms survive to this day.

Third, there is the monumental study on the Roman liturgy by the great English liturgist, Fr. Adrian Fortescue (who also wrote a ceremonial still used today in the Extraordinary Form). It establishes how much of the Roman Rite as it was celebrated in the early 20th century reflects some of the most ancient liturgical origins and developments.

These are but three examples. I could also reference Fr. Denis Crouan's excellent comparison of the 11th century Mass in Rome with the 1970 Missal of St. Paul VI, in which he shows how remarkably similar the Vatican II Missal is with the 11th century Roman-Frankish Mass-types. Highly recommended!

But the general point that all of this has instilled in me is how truly blessed we are in the Latin Church to have liturgical forms which have survived the ravages of both history and ecclesial changes. Like our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters, our Roman Rite is ancient and venerable, even in the most modern recension. As Fr. Adrian Fortescue wrote so powerfully:

"Our Mass goes back, without essential change, to the age when it first developed out of the oldest liturgy of all. It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our enquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours."

I rejoice in this knowledge, and I thank God for it. We have a Church that is ever ancient and ever new; a conserving and reforming Church. We have a tradition that both carries forward the practices and faith of our fathers, yet also can adapt itself to the signs of the times (yet without losing the connection with the past!). It is, I think, part of the miracle that is the Catholic Church, our Holy Mother.

As we wait for public Masses to resume again in earnest, I hope all of us can grow in understanding and appreciating the precious treasure that is our Mass. May we also be inspired to desire and strive for liturgical excellence in our celebrations, each according to our own state of life.

Popes St. Leo the Great, St. Sergius I, St. Gregory the Great, St. Pius V, St. Pius X, St. John XXIII, St. Paul VI, St. John Paul the Great, pray for us!

Just wanted to share my joy.
What you have shown, in working through those excellent authors, is that the novus ordo can be done in essential continuity with the mass of the ages. I am a critic of the novus ordo but mostly for the clown masses, for the common irreverence, and the destruction of the idea of the sacred. But those aren't the novus ordo per se. That can be done faithfully and reverently. It's done well at my parish and at many parishes I know of. BUt other parishes I would avoid for the sake of my soul and sanity.

There have been 'improvements' since 1970, thankfully. And a whole cadre of new priests who are faithful that make the novus ordo work.

I include the following because it may be of interest in the cross fertilization between novus ordo, vetus ordo and the Anglican ordo represented in the Anglican Ordinariate.
Retconning the Reformation - The Catholic Thing
 
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What you have shown, in working through those excellent authors, is that the novus ordo can be done in essential continuity with the mass of the ages. I am a critic of the novus ordo but mostly for the clown masses, for the common irreverence, and the destruction of the idea of the sacred. But those aren't the novus ordo per se. That can be done faithfully and reverently. It's done well at my parish and at many parishes I know of. BUt other parishes I would avoid for the sake of my soul and sanity.

I can relate. As much as I personally favor the Ordinary Form (though by no means to the denigration of the venerable Extraordinary Form), I too am critical of it. No liturgy is perfect and every one of them has weaknesses. In the case of the OF, there is so much rubrical and textual reform and development needed to better the rite. But what I also deplore most is not so much of the liturgical books themselves but how terribly they are often celebrated.

Thanks be to God, as you mention, the tide is slowly turning; both in the West (insofar as Catholicism is still practiced here) and in the developing world. May St. Gregory the Great obtain for us worthy celebrations of the Mass!

I include the following because it may be of interest in the cross fertilization between novus ordo, vetus ordo and the Anglican ordo represented in the Anglican Ordinariate.
Retconning the Reformation - The Catholic Thing

This is excellent! Thank you for the link.
 
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What you have shown, in working through those excellent authors, is that the novus ordo can be done in essential continuity with the mass of the ages. I am a critic of the novus ordo but mostly for the clown masses, for the common irreverence, and the destruction of the idea of the sacred. But those aren't the novus ordo per se. That can be done faithfully and reverently. It's done well at my parish and at many parishes I know of. BUt other parishes I would avoid for the sake of my soul and sanity.

There have been 'improvements' since 1970, thankfully. And a whole cadre of new priests who are faithful that make the novus ordo work.

I include the following because it may be of interest in the cross fertilization between novus ordo, vetus ordo and the Anglican ordo represented in the Anglican Ordinariate.
Retconning the Reformation - The Catholic Thing
Could you please explain what a clown Mass is?
I've been away a long time and have no idea of what you're speaking of.
Here Mass is basically the same and reverential.
 
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Could you please explain what a clown Mass is?
I've been away a long time and have no idea of what you're speaking of.
A clown mass is where the priest dresses up like a clown. A definite aberration, and I hope nobody does that one any more. There are many masses done by priests of a certain age that are quite silly. If they would stick faithfully to the rubrics they would do much better.
Here Mass is basically the same and reverential.
Good to hear. And same here.
 
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A clown mass is where the priest dresses up like a clown. A definite aberration, and I hope nobody does that one any more. There are many masses done by priests of a certain age that are quite silly. If they would stick faithfully to the rubrics they would do much better.

Good to hear. And same here.
Pretty shocking.
I didn't know about this.
The church (small c) is supposed to attract the world to itself...not the other way around.
 
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Pretty shocking.
I didn't know about this.
The church (small c) is supposed to attract the world to itself...not the other way around.
Exactly. The Church is supposed to deliver worship and adoration to God in her liturgies. Only that, but also with opportunity for prayers of intercession. Only that. And doing that will attract people to the faith and to God.

A clown mass is a stunt, and I don't know how it honors God. Hopefully there are fewer of them and neither you or I will ever have to see one.

Clown masses are a subset of irreverent masses. Many of those around. And yet there are more masses where the priests do try to be reverent.
 
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Exactly. The Church is supposed to deliver worship and adoration to God in her liturgies. Only that, but also with opportunity for prayers of intercession. Only that. And doing that will attract people to the faith and to God.

A clown mass is a stunt, and I don't know how it honors God. Hopefully there are fewer of them and neither you or I will ever have to see one.

Clown masses are a subset of irreverent masses. Many of those around. And yet there are more masses where the priests do try to be reverent.
Agreed. I was a catechist for 6 years (and had to stop)
and I know that kids tend to remember special occasions...like what we would do for Easter or for Christmas. Took them to a special Adoration for kids (planned with a priest) and they keep this kind of stuff close to them.

I agree with you that stunts don't "work". Not for kids and certainly not for adults.

Do we ever stop to think of the persecution the first Christians faced for their faith? That should be enough to stop any silliness that is going on.
 
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Exactly. The Church is supposed to deliver worship and adoration to God in her liturgies. Only that, but also with opportunity for prayers of intercession. Only that. And doing that will attract people to the faith and to God.

A clown mass is a stunt, and I don't know how it honors God. Hopefully there are fewer of them and neither you or I will ever have to see one.

Clown masses are a subset of irreverent masses. Many of those around. And yet there are more masses where the priests do try to be reverent.

Well said.

There is a fabulous quote by a Pope in the early twentieth century (for the life of me, I cannot recall whom...frustrating!) that essentially says that the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, only approves liturgical rites whose purpose is to provide worthy worship of the Triune God. His point is that every liturgy approved by the Church (i.e. as they exist on the books and rubrics–whether Western or Eastern) exist to give glory to God in fitting adoration. The very fact that they exist and are approved by the Church is witness to their ability to do this.

Their secondary purpose, of course, is to sanctify the Christian and make supplication for the world, as St. Paul tells us (Ephesians 6:18).

"Clown Masses," and really any Mass that isn't done according to the mind of the Church, are failures to provide what is the right of the Christian people and the proper adoration due to God. I believe they exist due to irreverence, but also a failure to properly understand or believe what the Church believes about the very nature of liturgy. A priest formed even half-well in the tradition and teachings of the Church wouldn't even consider something so silly as a "clown Mass."

Or so I think.
 
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