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This has been hovering on the edge of my consciousness for a while, and I finally had a revelation of sorts today. While perhaps not an pleasant revelation I appreciate it for the explanatory power it has given me; I am a little uncomfortable about what it says about my character.

I find the idea of becoming Christ-like largely unappealing, while I acknowledge his sacrifice for humanity is admirable, it is not a process I would like to replicate Similarly I have no desire to find the humility and love required not to defend myself from aggression, nor am I convinced that finding the humility to live as a pacifist is an admirable choice. Additionally, I have no desire to provide charity for the homeless.

Where do you find your desire to become Christ-like? Do you believe that you should try to embody his non-aggression and selfless nature?

(And as an aside, when your personal beliefs contradict those found in the bible what do you do?)

And perhaps most importantly, if you do find some of the lessons in the bible unacceptable, how do you keep to your faith?
 
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You are much closer to the knowledge of the truth than you think.."I am a little uncomfortable about what it says about my character."

The desire to be Christ-like comes not from our own will but from the Holy Spirit who is leading us into all truth (John 16:13). The unbeliever does not desire to glorify the Son because he is not able. The believer desires and is able to do true good because of the Holy Spirit. When I find difficult verses in the Bible, I realize it is because I fear God is not good and I do not see things how they really are.

What good have I done? Have I created a snowflake? Have I breathed life into mankind? Have I given mankind a way of salvation? I truly have done little compared to the God of this world and that is why He is worthy of praise.

Humble souls have peace and inner quietness. Humble souls are teachable. Humble souls are able to give graciously without complaint or fear. Few people realize the joy and peace one possesses under the Authority of Jehovah God.
 
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@Steelerbred33 I think the problem is that, despite acknowledging that my character is imperfect, I don't desire to become more Christ-like. Largely because I don't see the upside of humility, it is a degradation of human dignity. A willingness to accept the world as you find it, to refuse to resist the machinations of others.

I suppose you could argue that my pride blinds me, and that is why, I find myself unable to hear the holy spirit leading me to humility.

If that is the best answer there is to my question. I am will admit, with a great recognition of the irony, that I am too proud to accept that answer.

Perhaps I am too tied to the material world, to caught up in my lot here, because I will not suffer degrading my situation here to humble myself. I wish to live a self-determined life, in this world, the next world, if it exists, does not interest me.

Perhaps, this conversation was foolish on my part. I realize now as I write this response that it is more elaboration of my mental state than a true question. I apologize. I feel that I may be wasting your time, because I am uncertain if there is indeed a question for you to answer. However writing this post has helped me a great deal in thinking about my mental conception of self, and I am grateful for that.
 
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Dear Iamblichus. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells a Lawyer: " The first and
great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself."
Then Jesus tells us: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and the Holy Spirit will empower us with His Love, also. Jesus also told us to " Ask and ye shall receive," ( Matthew 7: 7-10) then thank God and share all Love and Joy with your neighbour: i.e. all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends.
Keep asking God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all with your neighbour.
Love is a Christian`s great weapon, with love we will overcome all enmity and wrong behaviour. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on Loving and Caring. You will notice that gradually you will change into the person which God wants us to become:
Loving and Caring like Christ is. Jesus will help and guide you: JESUS IS THE WAY. I say this with love, Iamblichus. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ
 
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This has been hovering on the edge of my consciousness for a while, and I finally had a revelation of sorts today. While perhaps not an pleasant revelation I appreciate it for the explanatory power it has given me; I am a little uncomfortable about what it says about my character.

I find the idea of becoming Christ-like largely unappealing, while I acknowledge his sacrifice for humanity is admirable, it is not a process I would like to replicate Similarly I have no desire to find the humility and love required not to defend myself from aggression, nor am I convinced that finding the humility to live as a pacifist is an admirable choice. Additionally, I have no desire to provide charity for the homeless.

Where do you find your desire to become Christ-like? Do you believe that you should try to embody his non-aggression and selfless nature?

(And as an aside, when your personal beliefs contradict those found in the bible what do you do?)

And perhaps most importantly, if you do find some of the lessons in the bible unacceptable, how do you keep to your faith?

The answer is actually very very simple.

You do those thing for your own benefit. That is all it is.

Some of the benefits you may immediately experienced while you are still alive. Some others will go to the after-life. Ultimately, the key problem is not what you are concerned in the OP, but is about the faith to the existence of life after life.
 
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@Steelerbred33 I think the problem is that, despite acknowledging that my character is imperfect, I don't desire to become more Christ-like. Largely because I don't see the upside of humility, it is a degradation of human dignity. A willingness to accept the world as you find it, to refuse to resist the machinations of others.

I suppose you could argue that my pride blinds me, and that is why, I find myself unable to hear the holy spirit leading me to humility.

If that is the best answer there is to my question. I am will admit, with a great recognition of the irony, that I am too proud to accept that answer.

Perhaps I am too tied to the material world, to caught up in my lot here, because I will not suffer degrading my situation here to humble myself. I wish to live a self-determined life, in this world, the next world, if it exists, does not interest me.

Perhaps, this conversation was foolish on my part. I realize now as I write this response that it is more elaboration of my mental state than a true question. I apologize. I feel that I may be wasting your time, because I am uncertain if there is indeed a question for you to answer. However writing this post has helped me a great deal in thinking about my mental conception of self, and I am grateful for that.

It does not make sense. IF, the next world existed, it SHOULD interest you.

You are not interested, because you do not think it exists.
 
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This has been hovering on the edge of my consciousness for a while, and I finally had a revelation of sorts today. While perhaps not an pleasant revelation I appreciate it for the explanatory power it has given me; I am a little uncomfortable about what it says about my character.

I find the idea of becoming Christ-like largely unappealing, while I acknowledge his sacrifice for humanity is admirable, it is not a process I would like to replicate Similarly I have no desire to find the humility and love required not to defend myself from aggression, nor am I convinced that finding the humility to live as a pacifist is an admirable choice. Additionally, I have no desire to provide charity for the homeless.

Where do you find your desire to become Christ-like? Do you believe that you should try to embody his non-aggression and selfless nature?


(And as an aside, when your personal beliefs contradict those found in the bible what do you do?)


And perhaps most importantly, if you do find some of the lessons in the bible unacceptable, how do you keep to your faith?
I appreciate your honesty and wish others would be honest like you instead of being hypocritical.

I think you do have a good understanding of Love and God is Love.

Most people really want to be loved for who they are and to love others for who they are and not in spite of whom you are.

Keep this all in your mind since there might come a time you just want to be unselfishly, unconditionally Loved in spite of what you have done. If you wind up in that state turn to God’s Love.
 
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@Steelerbred33 I think the problem is that, despite acknowledging that my character is imperfect, I don't desire to become more Christ-like. Largely because I don't see the upside of humility, it is a degradation of human dignity. A willingness to accept the world as you find it, to refuse to resist the machinations of others.

I suppose you could argue that my pride blinds me, and that is why, I find myself unable to hear the holy spirit leading me to humility.

If that is the best answer there is to my question. I am will admit, with a great recognition of the irony, that I am too proud to accept that answer.

Perhaps I am too tied to the material world, to caught up in my lot here, because I will not suffer degrading my situation here to humble myself. I wish to live a self-determined life, in this world, the next world, if it exists, does not interest me.

Perhaps, this conversation was foolish on my part. I realize now as I write this response that it is more elaboration of my mental state than a true question. I apologize. I feel that I may be wasting your time, because I am uncertain if there is indeed a question for you to answer. However writing this post has helped me a great deal in thinking about my mental conception of self, and I am grateful for that.

After a long time in my agnosticism, I came to my senses and said: what I am doing is not working.

The only people who believe in Jesus Christ first come to their senses and they see they need help. Those who RESIST this will perish in their sins and this is not worth it! Find your Bible and read John and ask God to lead you into Truth. God is faithful, God is good--He wants all men to come to Him, and going to Him is GOOD. It is not bad, it will not harm us, but in Christ there is freedom!

So few people think it is to our benefit to turn to God. A life once lived apart from Him has made me see that I never want to be without my Lord one day!! May God's peace and mercy rest on you.
 
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Iamblichus-

Jesus wasn't that pacifistic. After all, he cleared the moneychangers and merchants out of the temple area with a whip made out of cords.

There are those who try to convince us that Matthew 5:38ff. tells us that we are to do nothing even if our families are being physically attacked in a home invasion. But in order to understand that passage correctly, we need to recognize to whom Jesus was speaking. They were all fellow Jews, learned in the laws and commandments of Torah, and conscientious concerning having those laws dictate their interrelationships with those around them. Judea at that time was a 'closed society', so unless a person was either a Jew or a roman soldier stationed there, they were not a part of that society.

But even a conscientious Jew could 'screw up', losing his temper and either saying something or committing an action which he would immediately regret. Under the intense legalism that Judea and Galilee used, even an offhand slap could be cause for serious repercussions. But instead of having it escalate, Jesus told all of them to 'take a chill pill' if they found themselves in that situation.

But his words were never intended as an order to permit those who deliberately chose to commit evil acts (such as rape and murder) free access to you and/or your family. Such people were not seen as 'evil', but instead as 'abominations'. As such, they were to be subject to the full fury of the societal laws condemning their actions, including whatever actions other individuals saw fit to take in order to save their intended victims.
 
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On being/becoming Christ-like
Dear Iamblichus. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells a Lawyer: " The first and
great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself."
Then Jesus tells us: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and the Holy Spirit will empower us with His Love, also. Jesus also told us to " Ask and ye shall receive," ( Matthew 7: 7-10) then thank God and share all Love and Joy with your neighbour: i.e. all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends.............
:thumbsup: :amen:

For legal advice, I would contact the nearest lawyer :)

Young) Luke 11:46 and He said, `And to ye, the Lawyers, woe! because ye burden men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yeselves with one of your fingers do not touch the burdens.
52 `Woe to ye, the lawyers, because ye took away the key of the knowledge; yeselves not ye enter; and those coming in, ye did hinder.'

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......... [Luke 16:24,26]

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Well, I will throw a few points in. I like your question, and I would welcome a chance to talk with the OP more on this subject.

There is no clear cut simple "How and why" answer to such a deep and abstract subject. The answer however, is born from love, and flourishes without hatred or fear. It is the last two which remain as formidable barriers to most people.

As a mystic, I have spent a lifetime meditating and studying this. Since no words I can write, or that anyone can write, can describe the ultimate truth, I can only use words that point to the truth.
Borrowing from Bishop Spong, who uses the term "Be all that you can be" (borrowed from the army) Describes the why.

The how is the concept which we call the "Christ Consciousness" I would suggest that you study that concept, as few I have met are aware of it and even fewer understand it. For myself, the journey involved stepping out of the bonds of religions and coming to the realization of who and what God is.

A good teacher does not claim to have all the answers. Neither do I. In fact, one known fact is that no one does. Proof of that is in the examples of life all around us. But our inner Kingdom, that reality of God within, remains constant for us to find, each upon our own path. I wish you all the Peace , Joy, Harmony and Love you need along this path.

Amen
 
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I appreciate your honesty and wish others would be honest like you instead of being hypocritical.

I think you do have a good understanding of Love and God is Love.

Most people really want to be loved for who they are and to love others for who they are and not in spite of whom you are.

Keep this all in your mind since there might come a time you just want to be unselfishly, unconditionally Loved in spite of what you have done. If you wind up in that state turn to God’s Love.
I don't know if I have it in me to love others unconditionally, nor am I sure if I could do so, that I would want to. Perhaps it is judgemental, but I cannot find it in my heart to love those who do horrible things.

Perhaps one day, I will desire an unconditional love for myself..., but I'm not sure I could will myself to extend my own love unconditionally, and isn't that at least part of what being Christ-like it about? If being Christian is partially following in the example of Christ isn't lacking the will/desire to follow his example a fundamental failure that suggests I should turn to other teachings?

Because I would rather focus the resources I have on improving my own life and that of my close, then helping those who have, through bad luck, or poor choices have fallen on hard times. I respect for their right to independence and life, but I simply do not have a universal love for my fellow humans, that motivates me to help them.

After a long time in my agnosticism, I came to my senses and said: what I am doing is not working.

The only people who believe in Jesus Christ first come to their senses and they see they need help. Those who RESIST this will perish in their sins and this is not worth it! Find your Bible and read John and ask God to lead you into Truth. God is faithful, God is good--He wants all men to come to Him, and going to Him is GOOD. It is not bad, it will not harm us, but in Christ there is freedom!

So few people think it is to our benefit to turn to God. A life once lived apart from Him has made me see that I never want to be without my Lord one day!! May God's peace and mercy rest on you.
I have read the gospels of John, Luke, Matthew and Mark several times. Its those accounts of the life of Christ, that made me think about my selfish disinterest in emulating him. I don't want to devote my life to helping others, nor will I stand and accept the blows of my enemies.

While I don't doubt that the presence of Lord's love may benefit your life, if I am unwilling to share my love with humanity, and I instead would rather focus on my close friends and family, and bettering my material lot. If I will not apply many of the lessons that Christ teaches in my own life, would turning to God not be insincere?

I can hardly beg him to forgive my weakness, in not following his son's example, when I don't even want to try.

Iamblichus-

Jesus wasn't that pacifistic. After all, he cleared the moneychangers and merchants out of the temple area with a whip made out of cords.

There are those who try to convince us that Matthew 5:38ff. tells us that we are to do nothing even if our families are being physically attacked in a home invasion. But in order to understand that passage correctly, we need to recognize to whom Jesus was speaking. They were all fellow Jews, learned in the laws and commandments of Torah, and conscientious concerning having those laws dictate their interrelationships with those around them. Judea at that time was a 'closed society', so unless a person was either a Jew or a roman soldier stationed there, they were not a part of that society.

But even a conscientious Jew could 'screw up', losing his temper and either saying something or committing an action which he would immediately regret. Under the intense legalism that Judea and Galilee used, even an offhand slap could be cause for serious repercussions. But instead of having it escalate, Jesus told all of them to 'take a chill pill' if they found themselves in that situation.

But his words were never intended as an order to permit those who deliberately chose to commit evil acts (such as rape and murder) free access to you and/or your family. Such people were not seen as 'evil', but instead as 'abominations'. As such, they were to be subject to the full fury of the societal laws condemning their actions, including whatever actions other individuals saw fit to take in order to save their intended victims.
I appreciate your explanation. I've seen several arguments on both sides, and I find yours to be very complete and well argued. However I think it also demonstrates another issue I have with the Christian faith. If my beliefs don't agree with one reading of the bible, one can typically find another alternate reading that supports a more acceptable position. How does one decide which interpretation is true? If one simply choose the argument which he or she like best, how different is that from just following your own ethical beliefs and ignoring the word of God on the subject?

Well, I will throw a few points in. I like your question, and I would welcome a chance to talk with the OP more on this subject.

There is no clear cut simple "How and why" answer to such a deep and abstract subject. The answer however, is born from love, and flourishes without hatred or fear. It is the last two which remain as formidable barriers to most people.

As a mystic, I have spent a lifetime meditating and studying this. Since no words I can write, or that anyone can write, can describe the ultimate truth, I can only use words that point to the truth.
Borrowing from Bishop Spong, who uses the term "Be all that you can be" (borrowed from the army) Describes the why.

The how is the concept which we call the "Christ Consciousness" I would suggest that you study that concept, as few I have met are aware of it and even fewer understand it. For myself, the journey involved stepping out of the bonds of religions and coming to the realization of who and what God is.

A good teacher does not claim to have all the answers. Neither do I. In fact, one known fact is that no one does. Proof of that is in the examples of life all around us. But our inner Kingdom, that reality of God within, remains constant for us to find, each upon our own path. I wish you all the Peace , Joy, Harmony and Love you need along this path.

Amen
You appear to have a very interesting perspective on the topic. Though I must admit it is one that is quite foreign to me.

What do you mean by "be all that you can be?"
I suspect you mean something akin to an enlightened state of being in which man recognizes himself as part of the greater whole of humanity, and decides to shed the material for the immaterial spiritual world.

If this is the case, what do you find appealing about that? I'm all for a relatively simple existence, however I have no desire to renounce the material. I find that concept of the material as shackles, to be more than a little strange/surreal.
To me the focus on the immaterial is incomprehensible, the material world is readily apparent, and we only have the one chance to experience it, whereas the spiritual world, may or may not exist.

I'd rather take the gamble and live a good live without depriving myself in the material world, then bank upon the existence of a immaterial spiritual world.

What do you find so appealing about the metaphysical, internal kingdom of God, that the material world holds less appeal?

Apparently there is a limit to how many posts you can quote in a single reply. I'll answer the rest of you in another post. :)
 
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Dear Iamblichus. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells a Lawyer: " The first and
great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself."
Then Jesus tells us: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and the Holy Spirit will empower us with His Love, also. Jesus also told us to " Ask and ye shall receive," ( Matthew 7: 7-10) then thank God and share all Love and Joy with your neighbour: i.e. all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends.
Keep asking God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all with your neighbour.
Love is a Christian`s great weapon, with love we will overcome all enmity and wrong behaviour. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on Loving and Caring. You will notice that gradually you will change into the person which God wants us to become:
Loving and Caring like Christ is. Jesus will help and guide you: JESUS IS THE WAY. I say this with love, Iamblichus. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ
I think the problem is that I'm not sure I want to live a life in which I'm extending love to all. Since I'm finding the end goal unappealing it's hard to start treading down the path, following Jesus's way. You know?

The answer is actually very very simple.

You do those thing for your own benefit. That is all it is.

Some of the benefits you may immediately experienced while you are still alive. Some others will go to the after-life. Ultimately, the key problem is not what you are concerned in the OP, but is about the faith to the existence of life after life. It does not make sense. IF, the next world existed, it SHOULD interest you.
You are not interested, because you do not think it exists.
I suppose you are right. I say I'm unconcerned with the next life, because I'd rather live this life under the assumption it doesn't exist, and be (hopefully) pleasantly surprised if it does.

I guess the things is, while I believe that the existence of a creator is relatively probable, and I believe that Jesus did exist, either as a prophet or as the son of God. And I don't think its an unreasonable assertion to make that he died for our sins. I just don't see the appeal of trying to live like he did.
(I'm slightly more skeptical than what I just said. But I don't know how to properly covey the skepticism. I also tend to oscillate between skepticism and acceptance so.. there is that.)

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:thumbsup: :amen:

For legal advice, I would contact the nearest lawyer :)

Young) Luke 11:46 and He said, `And to ye, the Lawyers, woe! because ye burden men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yeselves with one of your fingers do not touch the burdens.
52 `Woe to ye, the lawyers, because ye took away the key of the knowledge; yeselves not ye enter; and those coming in, ye did hinder.'

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......... [Luke 16:24,26]

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I have no idea what you're trying to tell me. I'm sorry.
 
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Thank You Iamblichus for your response.

I will answer what you are saying as best I can. By "being all that you can be" I am referring to something akin to having "Life and having it Abundantly" as mentioned by Jesus . This would, in many ways, parallel the Buddhist concept of "enlightenment" as well as the concepts of Self-Actualization as described by Erickson and other psychologists.
I truly believe that the Christ-Consciousness means that we excel above the mundane limits of the material not by renouncing it, but by reaching a state of higher consciousness through the Christ Mind within.

To reach this, we must be free off addicitons, cravings and greed. We must purge fear and hatred from our minds and experience, living only to "Love thy neighbor as thyself"

This is a concept not embraced or talked about by most American brands of Christianity. but sadly, I have yet to find any enlightened or self-actualized people at work in contemporary American Chrisian congregations, so I would say that in some way, people are either unaware, unchallenged, or uninterested.

Not an easy path, but fulfilling in every way. I would not trade a mystic path for anything in the world.
 
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This has been hovering on the edge of my consciousness for a while, and I finally had a revelation of sorts today. While perhaps not an pleasant revelation I appreciate it for the explanatory power it has given me; I am a little uncomfortable about what it says about my character.

I find the idea of becoming Christ-like largely unappealing, while I acknowledge his sacrifice for humanity is admirable, it is not a process I would like to replicate
I don't think Jesus said anything about any of us 'liking' the fact that we may have to 'crucify' our sinful natures in order to follow Him. I don't like it, but it gives me an indication as to what I have to prepare myself for in order to truly become an 'overcomer'.

Similarly I have no desire to find the humility and love required not to defend myself from aggression, nor am I convinced that finding the humility to live as a pacifist is an admirable choice.
Who says you have to be a doormat if you wish to be a Christian?


Additionally, I have no desire to provide charity for the homeless.
Well, it may be difficult for you to give what you have not yet received in a like manner.

Where do you find your desire to become Christ-like? Do you believe that you should try to embody his non-aggression and selfless nature?
If I find in myself any desire to become Christ-like, it comes from entertaining the idea that I WILL, without a doubt, die, and if Christianity is true, I WILL be called to account.

(And as an aside, when your personal beliefs contradict those found in the bible what do you do?)
Well...more often that not, I find that Jesus' insight into the nature of the world is correct, even if at first I don't know what the hell He might have meant.

And perhaps most importantly, if you do find some of the lessons in the bible unacceptable, how do you keep to your faith?
My answer is the same as the previous question, but if I do squint with doubt, I also have to remember that the sciences, both physical and social, do not have all of the answers either...so I have to make a choice on some things.

I look forward to any response, if you wish.
 
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Thank you for your reply. I can understand your confusion concerning the interpretation of Scripture.

As for love, in the sense that it is used in Scripture, it is not an emotion which we either feel or not. Instead, it is a decision. It entails our accepting that the wellbeing of others is to be seen as equally important to our own wellbeing. That's why there can be commandments in which we are told that we are to love God, and also love our neighbor. We may not be able to like someone, but we can choose to love that person.
 
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I suppose you are right. I say I'm unconcerned with the next life, because I'd rather live this life under the assumption it doesn't exist, and be (hopefully) pleasantly surprised if it does.

I guess the things is, while I believe that the existence of a creator is relatively probable, and I believe that Jesus did exist, either as a prophet or as the son of God. And I don't think its an unreasonable assertion to make that he died for our sins. I just don't see the appeal of trying to live like he did.
(I'm slightly more skeptical than what I just said. But I don't know how to properly covey the skepticism. I also tend to oscillate between skepticism and acceptance so.. there is that.)

Stay skeptical is not a way to live. You should find it out and either accept it or reject it.

For Christianity, it is the same as rejection if it is skeptical. I think that is fair.
 
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i have always wished to become Christlike but with a family its just not feasable...my interpretation is just to do the best you can without harming others ..if i was to become like christ who would look after and feed my children ...im sorry for the cop but ill suffer in hell before my children are harmed
 
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This has been hovering on the edge of my consciousness for a while, and I finally had a revelation of sorts today. While perhaps not an pleasant revelation I appreciate it for the explanatory power it has given me; I am a little uncomfortable about what it says about my character.

I find the idea of becoming Christ-like largely unappealing, while I acknowledge his sacrifice for humanity is admirable, it is not a process I would like to replicate Similarly I have no desire to find the humility and love required not to defend myself from aggression, nor am I convinced that finding the humility to live as a pacifist is an admirable choice. Additionally, I have no desire to provide charity for the homeless.


It is a good question. Humility and charity (real self-sacrificing charity, meaning not done as a means of status in other's eyes or out of a need for a warm, fuzzy feeling) is, in my opinion, not natural to a human.

From my studies thus far, I have learned that we don't have much to do with our efforts in becoming Christ-like, except for it is our bodies which perform the work (and our prayers to become more like Him as well, can be an effort on our part for the ability). Our natural hearts, our natural inclinations are opposite to it. When God converts a sinner, he replaces the heart which craves sin with one that wants to follow Christ. Nevertheless, the remnant of our sinful physical bodies is still present; we don't become conformed to being comfortable with humility and self-sacrifice overnight, it is a process.


Where do you find your desire to become Christ-like? Do you believe that you should try to embody his non-aggression and selfless nature?

I should try, but it is His Holy Spirit which enables me to perform the act.

(And as an aside, when your personal beliefs contradict those found in the bible what do you do?)

I trust in the truth of God's word over my own corrupted rationalization.


And perhaps most importantly, if you do find some of the lessons in the bible unacceptable, how do you keep to your faith?

By trusting that God knows best.



Are believing Christians doing what they don't want to do then? My studies thus far has led me to understand it in this way:

Upon effectual calling, the unconverted sinner first experiences a new relationship with God. He experiences His love, compassion, and mercy for him. It is an awakening of the spiritual body which previous to this time, was dead (they had no understanding or experience of God previous to this). Nevertheless, he is still inhabiting a physical body, which craves worldliness and wishes really to have nothing to do with God. Which is why the spirit will yearn for one thing but will be in conflict with the natural body which will yearn for something else.

Overtime, God will give the converted sinner the ability to become stronger in his spiritual body so that it will be able to overcome many of the desires of the physical one. How much strength He will give and how long will it take is up to God, of course. It may be in His infinite wisdom and good pleasure to have a converted sinner remain one who is rather weak for their duration upon the earth. We cannot know of this, and must trust that it will be according to His plan and not our own.
 
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