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Sorry, but I saw nothing that even suggested that those "who have never heard of Him [have] an opportunity to be saved." Perhaps you might post the specific scripture you have in mind. Thank you.
Could you explain it to me? I'm not seeing it either.That's funny, everybody else seems to see it just fine.
Who, "Everyone else"? Me thinks there isn't a thing there that substantiates your claim---I sure couldn't find it---and that you've been reduced to blowing smoke in order to cover up your baseless assertion. Nothing new in this of course. I've seen the tactic frequently used by defenders of the faith when backed into a corner. Of course, if I'm wrong here all you have to do is reveal the sacred text you refer to. OR, you can continue stonewalling. Choice is yours, PJ.That's funny, everybody else seems to see it just fine.
Who, "Everyone else"?
Me thinks there isn't a thing there that substantiates your claim---I sure couldn't find it---and that you've been reduced to blowing smoke in order to cover up your baseless assertion.
Of course, if I'm wrong here all you have to do is reveal the sacred text you refer to. OR, you can continue stonewalling. Choice is yours, PJ.
This is why a "Christian" message board needs to have Christian moderators.
Remember this?
Thanks for confirming our suspicions. Your god must be very proud of you.PastorJim said:I told you exactly where it's found.
Oh brother.
Jim, just explain what you see when you read those passages. Please.
And how do you see this?OK. I understand.
I see what Christians have seen that it says for 2,000 years: that God has given every man two witnesses: the internal witness of the conscience and the external witness of creation and that God has made these things so clear that no man has an excuse to say that he does not believe there is a God.
And how do you see this?
So... if those who don't accept Jesus as their Savior go to Hell, then why doesn't God just kill off the atheists? Why does he let them live only to be tortured in the flames of Hell for all eternity?
E.g. surely God always knew that I would become an atheist, he always knew I wouldn't accept the teachings of Jesus Christ nor the Scripture, so why allow me to live only to cast me into the fiery pits of Hell? Doesn't sound awfully benevolent to me.
And what about the arbitrary tribe in sub-saharan Africa, the Mwujambu. They give birth to a baby boy, but this boy nor his family have never heard of Christianity or the Trinity and all that. So then the baby boy dies of malaria/whatever and then finds himself at the gates of Hell.
"Oh, sorry little boy, the missionaries weren't due to visit your tribe in another 4 months. Sorry, but in you go!"
I read it in the Bible.
I wonder how you handle these types of questions from your own congregation. I surely hope you give them better answers.
Notice how he has conveniently ignored the crux of the question, which evolved from the following.PastorJim said:I see what Christians have seen that it says for 2,000 years: that God has given every man two witnesses: the internal witness of the conscience and the external witness of creation and that God has made these things so clear that no man has an excuse to say that he does not believe there is a God.
I haven't read every post ...just most of them. Has anyone yet disclosed the Bible FACT that 'hell' is merely 'the grave'? Yep, it's simply another word for 'the grave'. Nothing more. Whatever else is being made of 'hell' is pure fiction. It amazes me how many 'devout' Christians are unaware of this. This is why I have little faith in Christians and their beliefs.
I haven't read every post ...just most of them. Has anyone yet disclosed the Bible FACT that 'hell' is merely 'the grave'? Yep, it's simply another word for 'the grave'. Nothing more. Whatever else is being made of 'hell' is pure fiction. It amazes me how many 'devout' Christians are unaware of this. This is why I have little faith in Christians and their beliefs.
I sure do. The people in my congregation are sincere when they ask questions and are not just looking to argue and contradict anything they don't agree with.
That's a pretty sweeping judgment to make about everyone outside your congregation. Do you always disobey Christ or only when He says not to pass judgments on others and not to bear false witness against them? How do you reconcile this selective and deliberate disobedience of your Master with your supposed vocation in life?I sure do. The people in my congregation are sincere when they ask questions and are not just looking to argue and contradict anything they don't agree with.
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