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Omniscience and "Choice"...? Predestination and "Free will"...? Questions...?

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I had these questions to God that started out as this...?

"What makes me any different than anyone else, I used to do a lot of wrong, but those wrongs led me to you, O, God?" "I've had different experience(s) than others, that could have made me choose right only now, if I'm choosing at all...? If you didn't make me this way and others, another way..".

He told me he could show me somebody who had "equal", level to me, chance and opportunity to make the same kind of choice I did, and having perfectly equal experiences and equal choice and opportunity, that he could show me that I would chose one way, while another chose another, opposite of what I chose, even with a completely equal opportunity experience and equal chance of choice...

Then I asked him, "if he made us both that way...?", "One predestined to choose one way, and another, another opposite way?" "Was it something in us both, from us both, or from you or what you put in us or how you made us, that was different in or about us, O, God?

He said, "Yes, that, in short, he made us that way..." "He put the thing in us both way beforehand that would direct our choices in the matters..." Even when it is an equal choice for both..."

I said "What about free will, what about choice?" How do we have a choice, if we really do not have a choice? He said "We do have a choice, cause we don't know, and due to what we do not know..." Then I said "But you do know" He said "Yes, I do..." "And one day you will as well, but not now, but one day, when you get here, you'll understand the "why" and "how" and "because of" of everything..."

I asked him how he could make one not to make it, and another to make it?

He said he reserves the right to do what he wishes with his own things, and he said, that is for a greater good and higher purpose that I can not understand fully right now, and for me to just trust in that for now...

I said "But... I want to know... Why can't I know...? He said "Cause you'd have to know everything to understand that, and he said that I am not capable of doing that right now, and then he said, "one day... One day you will... When you get here, I'll show you and let you know, OK?

I said "OK..."

Since I can't know it, I moved on to something else...

God Bless!
 

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He chooses to welcome into eternal life each one who believes. Even the ability to believe comes from the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Each realizes the "woo-ing" of the Holy Spirit and can say "yes!", or each can say "no," or "I'll think about it," or whatever.
 
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I believe in absolute sovereignty and see no real possibility of "free will": I do believe in "choice" but choice doesn't mean the same thing as "free will": I suppose I still confess there may be "free will" in the intent of men; but I'm not remotely persuaded even by that idea.

How can a person have "free will" when every choice they make will always be based on experiences of which they had no choice? Example, a person who is "intelligent" will choose out of analysis; but he didn't "choose" to be intelligent, so his "choice" is the outcome of something he didn't first choose (intelligence) but was given to him. Everything, every choice, every action, all trace back to the hand of God, and not men.
 
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I had these questions to God that started out as this...?

"What makes me any different than anyone else, I used to do a lot of wrong, but those wrongs led me to you, O, God?" "I've had different experience(s) than others, that could have made me choose right only now, if I'm choosing at all...? If you didn't make me this way and others, another way..".

He told me he could show me somebody who had "equal", level to me, chance and opportunity to make the same kind of choice I did, and having perfectly equal experiences and equal choice and opportunity, that he could show me that I would chose one way, while another chose another, opposite of what I chose, even with a completely equal opportunity experience and equal chance of choice...

Then I asked him, "if he made us both that way...?", "One predestined to choose one way, and another, another opposite way?" "Was it something in us both, from us both, or from you or what you put in us or how you made us, that was different in or about us, O, God?

He said, "Yes, that, in short, he made us that way..." "He put the thing in us both way beforehand that would direct our choices in the matters..." Even when it is an equal choice for both..."

I said "What about free will, what about choice?" How do we have a choice, if we really do not have a choice? He said "We do have a choice, cause we don't know, and due to what we do not know..." Then I said "But you do know" He said "Yes, I do..." "And one day you will as well, but not now, but one day, when you get here, you'll understand the "why" and "how" and "because of" of everything..."

I asked him how he could make one not to make it, and another to make it?

He said he reserves the right to do what he wishes with his own things, and he said, that is for a greater good and higher purpose that I can not understand fully right now, and for me to just trust in that for now...

I said "But... I want to know... Why can't I know...? He said "Cause you'd have to know everything to understand that, and he said that I am not capable of doing that right now, and then he said, "one day... One day you will... When you get here, I'll show you and let you know, OK?

I said "OK..."

Since I can't know it, I moved on to something else...

God Bless!

Predestination & Election~~~> https://d3uet6ae1sqvww.cloudfront.n...ds-choice-or-ours-predestination-election.pdf
 
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I believe in absolute sovereignty and see no real possibility of "free will": I do believe in "choice" but choice doesn't mean the same thing as "free will": I suppose I still confess there may be "free will" in the intent of men; but I'm not remotely persuaded even by that idea.

How can a person have "free will" when every choice they make will always be based on experiences of which they had no choice? Example, a person who is "intelligent" will choose out of analysis; but he didn't "choose" to be intelligent, so his "choice" is the outcome of something he didn't first choose (intelligence) but was given to him. Everything, every choice, every action, all trace back to the hand of God, and not men.
Yes, it's a conundrum for sure...

God Bless!
 
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That link is cause for rejoicing, for Believer and non-believer alike. I will share it with family, friends, others. God bless you for posting it!

Amen to that, brother! You're welcome and God Bless.
 
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