Omni

[Neogaia777]

I see. I would need more than your impressions before this would have any real meaning.

Ezekiel's vision, and the vision of Revelation both see thrones and he whom sit's upon it and their descriptions of him, are, I don't know the word(s) to describe it, glorious...



Are you just repeating the question to which I answered "no" or is this a new question?

To your second question, I'll leave that up to you to decide,

Is it the same question or not?, and if it is and the rephrasing of it into a different form, or format, made you think about it differently, what's that mean?

If they were essentially the same question, would you answer them differently?

God Bless!

 

[Resha Caner]

To your second question, I'll leave that up to you to decide,

Is it the same question or not?, and if it is and the rephrasing of it into a different form, or format, made you think about it differently, what's that mean?

If they were essentially the same question, would you answer them differently?

Oy.

 

[Neogaia777]

Oy.

Yeah, welcome to my world...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Oy.

I'm gonna send you a friend request, you want to PM sometime?

God Bless!

 

[Ken-1122]

A being that has at least 1 Omni property. That leads to the second question: Can a being with 1 Omni property have only 1?

I would say if an Omni being existed; it is possible for there to be more than one; depending upon what the omni property is. For example; "all knowing" it would be possible for there to be more than one being that is all knowing.

Can the being have more than 1 omni property? Again yes as long as the Omni properties do not contradict each other.

Ken

 

[Resha Caner]

Can the being have more than 1 omni property? Again yes as long as the Omni properties do not contradict each other.

Actually, the question was whether they could have only 1 Omni property, not whether they could have more than one.

I would say if an Omni being existed; it is possible for there to be more than one; depending upon what the omni property is. For example; "all knowing" it would be possible for there to be more than one being that is all knowing.

How? How would you distinguish them? If they are both all-knowing, then they both know exactly what the other will do. If one knows exactly what another will do in all times and places, how is that different from a single being?

 

[Resha Caner]

I'm gonna send you a friend request, you want to PM sometime?

Sure.

 

[Ken-1122]

How? How would you distinguish them?

They would probably look different from each other

If they are both all-knowing, then they both know exactly what the other will do. If one knows exactly what another will do in all times and places, how is that different from a single being?

Because it would be two of them instead of one.

Ken

 

[Neogaia777]

Sure.

Ok, can I ask you if you can make an attempt to answer my question though, please...

Thanks,

God Bless!

 

[Resha Caner]

Ok, can I ask you if you can make an attempt to answer my question though, please...

Which question?

 

[Resha Caner]

They would probably look different from each other


Because it would be two of them instead of one.

OK, I won't push you.

 

[Ken-1122]

OK, I won't push you.

No! Go ahead and push! If you have any questions feel free to ask because I get a feeling I am misunderstanding your point so if my answer doesn't make sense to you; let me know.

Ken

 

[Resha Caner]

No! Go ahead and push! If you have any questions feel free to ask because I get a feeling I am misunderstanding your point so if my answer doesn't make sense to you; let me know.

It just doesn't feel like you're trying that hard. They'll look different? Did you mean that literally? In college my roommate was blind. So do beings not exist for him because he can't tell if they look different?

And ... "it would be two of them instead of one"? That's a bit wooden don't you think? I can tell there are two because there are two. I don't even know where to go from there.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

Resha,

Do you mean something like what Roddenberry had in mind with the "Q-continuum"? (Remember the character from Star Trek, The Next Generation--Q?)

I always thought Q represented in a cheap and tongue-in-cheek way the continuum of the Trinity.

 

[Resha Caner]

I always thought Q represented in a cheap and tongue-in-cheek way the continuum of the Trinity.

I wasn't thinking of Q. I despised that character. I always thought him too powerful, and thereby the episodes he haunted were quite boring.

My son made some interesting observations about the way Peter Jackson portrays Legolas in LOTR (and the improperly named Hobbit movies). He likes Orlando Bloom as an actor, and loves Tolkien's stories, but hates the way Legolas is portrayed in the movies because he comes across as perfect. I had attributed my distaste to Bloom's poor acting, but I'll admit I think he did well in Pirates of the Caribbean, so I think my son may be on to something.

 

[Ken-1122]

It just doesn't feel like you're trying that hard. They'll look different? Did you mean that literally? In college my roommate was blind. So do beings not exist for him because he can't tell if they look different?

And ... "it would be two of them instead of one"? That's a bit wooden don't you think? I can tell there are two because there are two. I don't even know where to go from there.

Okay. Here is how I see it. If there are 2 beings that are all knowing; they will probably physically look different, they will probably have different strengths and weaknesses, (temper, patience, physical abilities etc.) and they will probably have different preferences as well (taste in music, food, style, etc) in other words; just because two people are equal in knowledge doesn't mean they are the same person. I was a bit perplexed as to why you would assume they would. Does this make sense to you? If not please explain.

Ken

 

[Resha Caner]

Okay. Here is how I see it. If there are 2 beings that are all knowing; they will probably physically look different, they will probably have different strengths and weaknesses, (temper, patience, physical abilities etc.) and they will probably have different preferences as well (taste in music, food, style, etc) in other words; just because two people are equal in knowledge doesn't mean they are the same person. I was a bit perplexed as to why you would assume they would. Does this make sense to you? If not please explain.

Much better. Not the appearance part, but the weakness part. I see no reason to associate "being" with physical separation. Is the Borg from Star Trek (if you're familiar with that concept), or the Bugs from Ender's Game or the Mimics from Edge of Tomorrow one being or many? I would say they could be considered one being ... as is said of all those instances.

But the weakness part - you may be on to something there. I think it would only work with omniscience. I could see a being having all knowledge and yet letting emotion lead it into inadequate use of that knowledge. Even more so with taste. If one omniscient being likes chocolate best and another likes vanilla, we could distinguish them, and it would be contradictory to say they are one being, and probably wrong to say omniscience requires them both to like chocolate and dislike vanilla.

But for reasons I mentioned earlier, I don't think that same line of reasoning would work with omnipotence.

 

[Neogaia777]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

More than likely it would be all "Omni's" wrapped in one, if a being obtained omniscience for example, then the same being likely after becoming all-knowing, also knew how to be or obtain the other Omni's... becoming all-knowing is probably the key to the other Omni's. The Bible clearly indicates that there is only "One" and only "One" of these, when he talks about knowing the time of the end, the age and hour comes upon us, he indicates that there seems to be things that only the Father alone knows, and so, therefore Biblically only one Omni-everything God exists

God Bless!

 

[Ken-1122]

Much better. Not the appearance part, but the weakness part.

Why do you have a problem with them looking differently? What you know has nothing to do with how you look.

I see no reason to associate "being" with physical separation.

No; it isn't required to be separated; but the question is, is it possible to be separated?

Is the Borg from Star Trek (if you're familiar with that concept), or the Bugs from Ender's Game or the Mimics from Edge of Tomorrow one being or many? I would say they could be considered one being ... as is said of all those instances.

Sorry; not familiar with Star Trek. No idea what you are talking about.

But the weakness part - you may be on to something there. I think it would only work with omniscience. I could see a being having all knowledge and yet letting emotion lead it into inadequate use of that knowledge. Even more so with taste. If one omniscient being likes chocolate best and another likes vanilla, we could distinguish them, and it would be contradictory to say they are one being, and probably wrong to say omniscience requires them both to like chocolate and dislike vanilla.

But for reasons I mentioned earlier, I don't think that same line of reasoning would work with omnipotence.

Why? Why would having unlimited power require (using your example) they both like chocolate and dislike vanilla?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

More than likely it would be all "Omni's" wrapped in one, if a being obtained omniscience for example, then the same being likely after becoming all-knowing, also knew how to be or obtain the other Omni's...

How many other Omni's are there?

Ken