Omni

[Resha Caner]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

 

[Ken-1122]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

How are you defining Omni?

K

 

[Tree of Life]

No. An ultimate being could not be ultimate unless it were alone in its ultimacy. It couldn't be all powerful, for instance, if a being of equal power existed. In that case the first being would not have power over everything and thus would not be ultimate.

 

[St_Worm2]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

Hi Resha, even if such a being could exist, the Bible makes it clear that it does not and never will.

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--David

"Before Me there was no God formed,
and there will be none after Me"
Isaiah 43:10b​

 

[Davian]

 

[Resha Caner]

How are you defining Omni?

A being that has at least 1 Omni property. That leads to the second question: Can a being with 1 Omni property have only 1?

Hi Resha, even if such a being could exist, the Bible makes it clear that it does not and never will.

I agree. I'm just asking what others think.

No. An ultimate being could not be ultimate unless it were alone in its ultimacy. It couldn't be all powerful, for instance, if a being of equal power existed. In that case the first being would not have power over everything and thus would not be ultimate.

I would concur, but I wonder if others have a different opinion.

 

[Neogaia777]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

No.

But the Omni being has many servant's and he delegates to each one...

And Jesus Christ came to show us how there is a little bit of, little piece of "Omni" in each of us, a clue to how we are made in God's image and likeness, a key to our future. And all the mysteries of this I do not fully understand, for they are numerous and some of them an unfathomable mystery to me, at first. Maybe we can debate them sometime?

In Jesus name,

God Bless!

 

[Resha Caner]

Maybe we can debate them sometime?

That might be tough to do if you think they are an unfathomable mystery. But, what is it you want to debate?

 

[Neogaia777]

That might be tough to do if you think they are an unfathomable mystery. But, what is it you want to debate?

How we are like him, or if and how he is like us?

 

[Neogaia777]

And Jesus displayed his Omni-ness...

 

[elopez]

If an Omni being existed, is it possible for there to be more than 1?

I don't think so, though the question opens up some interesting questions.

Just because God is omnipotent and has more 'power' than anything, does that mean He must exert that full exertion of power? If not it seems while there could be two omnipotent beings attempting to destroy each other, what happens depends on which being given is exerting more power at that given instance.

If both beings exert the same amount of power at the same time, nothing would happen, which would be a logical absurdity for an omnipotent being.

 

[Resha Caner]

How we are like him, or if and how he is like us?

How do you think we would differ on that question?

 

[Resha Caner]

Hi, it's been awhile.

Just because God is omnipotent and has more 'power' than anything, does that mean He must exert that full exertion of power?

I suppose he wouldn't, and that would have interesting implications. But it might become a bit of a semantic game. If an Omni being chooses not to use his full power, it would be because his full knowledge tells him that is what he should do, and so he uses the full power appropriate for the situation, which could be considered omnipotence.

On the other hand, if he didn't use his full power because he didn't know any better, then he is lacking in the "power" of knowledge, and therefore may not be omnipotent.

If both beings exert the same amount of power at the same time, nothing would happen, which would be a logical absurdity for an omnipotent being.

Yes, I think trying to posit more than 1 Omni being leads to absurdity.

 

[Neogaia777]

How do you think we would differ on that question?

It just seems that a lot of people do...?

If you wouldn't mind, do want to share what you know or feel about those questions (do you want to share your ideas?

 

[Resha Caner]

If you wouldn't mind, do want to share what you know or feel about those questions (do you want to share your ideas?

At a high level, Jesus is human and so are we. Jesus is divine and we are not.

 

[Neogaia777]

At a high level, Jesus was human and so are we. Jesus was divine and we are not.

But Jesus (the holder (container and source) of the the Father's light), wishes to dwell in us, and work through us, and shine in/through us, that means he want's us to share in every part of himself, even his divinity. If only we were holy, because of that we can only receive partially and have to work together.

What does divinity mean to you?

Is it man's destiny to become "like God"?

And how is God like us, surely he was trying to show us this through Jesus Christ...

God Bless!

 

[Resha Caner]

But Jesus (the holder (container and source) of the the Father's light), wishes to dwell in us, and work through us, and shine in/through us, that means he want's us to share in every part of himself, even his divinity. If only we were holy, because of that we can only receive partially and have to work together.

A couple of things that would need clarification: 1) What is the "Father's light" you speak of? 2) Yes, 2 Peter 1:4 speaks of sharing in the divine, but what exactly this means is vague. When someone tells me they want me to share in their success, they mean share the fruits of their labor, nor take credit for it. So, you'll have to explain to me what you mean. 3) Who is the "we" that needs to work together?

What does divinity mean to you?

I go with the standard meaning: something that is a god or proceeds (holy, perfect, and unchanged) from a god. Therefore, God is the only divine being, but there can be divine laws, etc.

Is it man's destiny to become "like God"?

Again, not quite sure what you mean, but most likely the answer is no (Gen 3:5).

And how is God like us, surely he was trying to show us this through Jesus Christ...

This is a strange concept. Itzhak Perlman doesn't try to show me how he plays the violin just like me. The master does not take his examples from the pupil. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

 

[Neogaia777]

A couple of things that would need clarification: 1) What is the "Father's light" you speak of? 2) Yes, 2 Peter 1:4 speaks of sharing in the divine, but what exactly this means is vague. When someone tells me they want me to share in their success, they mean share the fruits of their labor, nor take credit for it. So, you'll have to explain to me what you mean. 3) Who is the "we" that needs to work together?



I go with the standard meaning: something that is a god or proceeds (holy, perfect, and unchanged) from a god. Therefore, God is the only divine being, but there can be divine laws, etc.



Again, not quite sure what you mean, but most likely the answer is no (Gen 3:5).



This is a strange concept. Itzhak Perlman doesn't try to show me how he plays the violin just like me. The master does not take his examples from the pupil. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

The father's light is being discussed in this thread here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7856283-43/#post66857546

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Again, not quite sure what you mean, but most likely the answer is no (Gen 3:5).

Would you say God's work (maybe will) is to mold and form and shape and transform us into the image and likeness of (to be closer to being like) Jesus Christ then?

God Bless!

 

[Resha Caner]

The father's light is being discussed in this thread here:

I see. I would need more than your impressions before this would have any real meaning.

Would you say God's work (maybe will) is to mold and form and shape and transform us into the image and likeness of (to be closer to being like) Jesus Christ then?

Are you just repeating the question to which I answered "no" or is this a new question?